 TheCatWhisperer says: Good for them. hmmm, maybe next they can stop delivering bills.....I hate them more than anti gay mail Way to go. I'm glad to see Canada still has it's dignity. More evidence that freedom of speech is not as sacred to the Left as they purport amazing when the mailmen can decide what mail they want to deliver....doesn't sound very much like a democracy to me....are they starting to monitor and regulate who can read what? Can you imagine what the reaction would be if it were religious mail workers walking out as result of objection to propoganda from The Agenda? Sending hatemail isn't covered by the freedom of speech because it is hurting and slandering others. Would they allow, in the USA, to send out a similar booklet calling black people ungodly and a strain on society? No, of course not. Ah, the misuse of race as analogous tact. More evidence that stopping the spread of hatred is necessary to the Left as we purport. We all must speak out when we believe something in just WRONG. I'm with you all the way ArthurDwayne. Peace........................... (nothing personal Godfrey) Ummmm...I'm petty sure thats not true unless it somehow interferes with there freedom. The press writes stuff that slanders others all the time....its still delivered isnt it? Hate. Yet another word redefined But the press doesn't release 28 page articles denouncing an entire group of people without losing its credibility, or at least having a more middle ground. This booklet calls all gay people AID spreading immoral and evil people who will go to hell. It has no middle ground. No kind heart in it's words. In fact it lacks even an ounce of compassion. And on another note, you can not buy a paper that's hateful, or cancel your subscription to it. You can't do this with the mail. This isn't about the gay agenda, it's about the right for people to choose, and the right for an entire group of people--homosexuals--to not be attacked so harshly with anti-gay propaganda. Let those that agree find th... Well, if it indeed is as you describe then it would truly be hateful, but I have seen religious person's view of homosexuality, based in their beliefs, distorted to the point of unrecognizabiltiy, and labeled "hate speech" simply for their views regarding the nature of homosexuality. And according to the article, the way I Why people are defending the post office for refusing to do their jobs is baffling me. The post office delivers many things I find repulsive and degrading (pornography for example) but I expect them to do their job and deliver it. If I want that filth out of the postal system, I should start with the publishers, not the post office. If a postal worker refused to deliver porn on moral grounds, he or she should get another job. If the literature can be characterized as hate speech, and that is found to be a crime, then they publisher should be held accountable. I don't want my post office holding court. And according to the article, the way I said it as seems to be how this booklet was published, it was a rather rude hate remark. Calling homosexuals based completely on the bad apples within the community--there are people in it who spread aids, live immoral and terrible lives, and hurt people, but alas there are people like this in all communities, religious communities not withstanding--is in it's own way wrong. Discussing a theory on the nature of homosexuality, if it is done appropriatly, is fine with me. But also some should note that this is Canada. Most people in Canada are fine with homosexuals having equal rights, and don't enjoy reading anti-gay literature. The people that are ant... These mailings are described as "unsealed booklets". I don't believe pornography is mailed out like that. But maybe in Canada it is. I honestly don't know. Pornography delivered here is sealed and only delivered to people who have purchased it through the mail or online. They don't send pornography to every single household, whether they wanter it or not, unsealed. If they did, I'd suspect the post office would make a fuss similar to what they're making in response to these anti-gay booklets. Pornography was just an example of something I found offensive. I don't want to lose focus. I stand by my statement that I think "hate speech" being mailed should be handled by the courts and not by my postal worker. That's a good point Mousie and I think those who tried to distribute this through the postal service should be taken to court and that mail shouldn't be handled by postal workers. Mas Paz....................... amazing when the mailmen can decide what mail they want to deliver....doesn't sound very much like a democracy to meIt sounds more like these people actually have the freedom of choice! What? they can refuse to do something because they find it offensive?? How dare they, this could lead to chaos!! Oh please usmc, you need to read up on what democracy is: "a form of government for a nation state, or for an organization in which all the citizens have a voice in shaping policy". Canada has a public policy (and laws) against hate speech. So in fact these postal workers in seeing this pamphlet and identifying it (all the workers felt the same, hrm.. democratic-ish, no?) as ha... Most would likely call CP and ask why they were being sent this and how it got in the mail in the first place.I disagree. I think most would contact the publisher/sender. How is the post office responsible for the content of the mail? They are not responsible, which is the point. Let's not kill the messenger. We'll disagree here then.. I would call CP and complain.. complaining to the sender does nothing.. they know they sent it. CP doesn't screen everything the send, they have a contract agreeing to send out X mailings to Y area. The client agrees to abide by the rules and laws. So if the sender manages to slip something by CP, and I as a letter carrier notice, isn't it my moral duty to bring it to their attention? If I were a CP employee, I would not deliver something I felt was crossing the line of hate speech or inappropriate for young children. Had the pamphlet been in a sealed envelope, then there likely would not have been a problem until the people on the other end got it, and tha... PS: If I sent out a mass mailing saying Religion was a curse upon Canada, and that it was the cause of many wars, hate crimes, etc.. I guarantee it would never get past CP. Now that statement isn't far off the mark in some people's opinion.. And if that pamphlet is protected under free speech.. them mine should too, no? And if that pamphlet is protected under free speech.. them mine should too, no?Yes. And the post office should deliver it. Except by doing so, one could potentially be liable under the Canadian Criminal Code 318-320. It's iffy, but possible.. one could argue that the pamphlet in accusing homosexuals (the gay community in general) of the spread and cause of AIDS (also a fallacy, possibly slander??), that the pamphlet was inciting hatred against this group. By knowingly delivering this item, the postal worker then becomes liable for committing the crime, even if under duress by his/her employer. A good lawyer could probably make the case... PS: If I sent out a mass mailing saying Religion was a curse upon Canada, and that it was the cause of many wars, hate crimes, etc.. I guarantee it would never get past CP.hmmm....well tell me then.....what if I wanted to send out mail to everyone saying God Loves you.....I guarantee you that to will piss off and deeply offend people. So should the post offcie not deliver that? That bottom line is the post office has no right to decide what mail to send out and what mail not to. If they dont want it sent out like mousie says take it to court. Canada Post vs US MAIL regulations?????? Unacceptable Items These items cannot be mailed as Standard Lettermail: bottle caps coins food items glass jewellery keys liquids pencils pens powdered material seeds anything fragile and perishable anything that may soil <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< or harm other mail, post office equipment, or postal employees <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< anything that is prohibited by law or is considered dangerous goods. Place punched or perforated cards, or self-mailers with a pin-feed hold strip in sealed envelopes. Do not staple the outside of a Standard Lettermail item. http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/c08-e.asp#16282 Well, for one thing.. saying "God loves me" is not a lie... It's is defensible as a religious interpretation of the bible. saying homosexuals are the cause of AIDS is a lie.. if you doubt me, look it up.. science will tell you where AIDS originated, and it wasn't out of the ass of a gay male. Try another argument, usmc... PS: - "god loves you" is not hate speech. - "homosexuals are the cause of AIDS" could be interpreted as hate speech.. (if not just libel..., which also would be illegal) united we stand divided we fall ... it's all a big conspiracy to bring us all down... like the old saying "give them enough rope they will hang themselves" ... it's true. "hemp for victory!" What? PPS: the post office has no right to decide what mail to send out and what mail not toUm, actually, they do.. they may not legally send anything that breaks the Law or Canada Post Corporation Act. (though there is nothing in the CPCA that prevents hate speech.. there is in Canadian law however...) The workers should have brought the "hate speech" mail to the attention of management. If management determined the material to fall within the boundaries of the law, the postal workers should have then delivered the booklets regardless of their personal feelings. If management felt the material was indeed "hate speech," they would have removed it from the system and it would be a non-issue with the workers. From the clip source, it looks like the post office reviewed the material and found no issue with the law. At that point, the workers should have done their job and delivered the mail. What Knslyr said. Okay....I'm going to separate myself from MOST of the "liberal left" on this issue. It is the first time I have felt a need to do so on an issue like this. Let me explain why. Freedom of speech has to be protected for EVERYONE to be protected for each of us. I disagree with the material they are circulating, however, they have the write to print, speak, and distribute their thoughts and beliefs under the laws of free speech. Provided they are not making harmful threats through it. HOWEVER, might I qualify that by adding....to those self-righteously "puffed up" individuals that have before this in the comments here, slammed liberals saying free speech is NOT important to us..... I expe... I expect that you, yes, you Christian fundamental right wing fanatic....YOU must also accept it if pro-gay materials are mailed to YOU. You also must allow Anton Levay's Church of Satan to mail you brochures promoting THEIR beliefs. And I don't expect to hear a PEEP out of you if what I just said....happens.I certainly won't be complaining to the post office. It sounds more like these people actually have the freedom of choice! What? they can refuse to do something because they find it offensive?? How dare they, this could lead to chaos!!Sure, they have a choice, they can quit if they are unable to perform their duties as someone who delivers all sorts of mail. Now if they owned their own mail delivery business I would support their right as a business to decied what to deliver and what not to deliver, but when they are in the employ of someone else they cannot just decide when and in what circumstances they are going to perform their duties. Every single one of them should be fired, it sets an extremely bad precedent if ... I expect that you, yes, you Christian fundamental right wing fanatic....YOU must also accept it if pro-gay materials are mailed to YOU. You also must allow Anton Levay's Church of Satan to mail you brochures promoting THEIR beliefs. And I don't expect to hear a PEEP out of you if what I just said....happens.You must live in some place that recieves little to no political attention, as a resident of the great blue state of California I receive that kind of mail ALL THE TIME during an election period, and it has never ONCE crossed my mind to call my post office and complain. That would just be friggin silly. |
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