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You don't have to believe in the supernatural to be religious. real scientists may use Einstein`s saying: " I am a deeply religious non-believer" .... based on his beautiful elaboration that he finds no need 4 personal God, any intelligent human may feel this deep religious sensation of awe & humility by just standing in front the wonders of the universe ..... That's being religious as in feeling spiritual (without belief in a spirit, that is to say a supernatural spirit, as the word originally meant). The beauty of ambiguity in language and its manifestation in the sometimes ironic evolution of the meanings of words.. Thy first duty is to give up faith, unfaith, Islam and all religions The lover ought never to entangle himself in religions. --Sachal Sarmast (sufi poet, d. 1829) (translation from Sindhi by Jethmal Parsram Gulraj) Most scientist also do not rule out the possibility of God. Many are not believers or non-believers. They simply aren't sure. If it cannot be proven scientifically scientists are skeptical, but that is not to say that they are non-believers either. My favorite physicist, Steven Hawking, states in his book, A Brief History of Time, that before the universe came into existence, there was nothing, no matter at all . Then a singularity 'popped into existence'. This is the moment at which time began. A singularity is a single point in space that has no dimension, consists of all the matter in the universe, and defies all te laws of physics as we know it. He contends that this could imply a... That's pretty well said hudgal. Kudos to you. I think that if I was an astronomer, I would be more religious or at least more spiritual, not less. It certainly puts humanity into perspective. Popped for the comments Thy first duty is toAwesome... Like most Sufi quotes. Hudgal I think you misrepresent Hawkins. Sure he admitted mystery - a limit to his knowledge. But he did not suggest "a Magic Man Done It.". Suggesting God (whatever that is) is a cop out and diminishes the mystery and the awe one can feel from the not knowing. If a whole universe cannot be created from nothing, where did the something come from? Turtles all the way down again. If a whole universe cannot be created from nothing, where did the something come from?The question is a non sequiter. It disregards the definition of God as Prime Mover. If you want to disregard the definition of God, then you are left with infinite regression and that is not plausible. I have a thousand brilliant lies For the question: How are you? I have a thousand brilliant lies For the question: What is God? If you think that the Truth can be known From words, If you think that the Sun and the Ocean Can pass through that tiny opening Called the mouth, O someone should start laughing! Someone should start wildly Laughing –Now! -- Hafiz Shirazi (persian sufi) (translation by Daniel Ladinsky, "I Heard God Laughing: Renderings of Hafiz") I just reread the book I was referring to less than a week ago. I paraphrased his comments on God, but that is the gist of it. I will find that part of the book in the morning and quote it exactly. And BTW, John Waterman, it's Hawking, not Hawkins. If you are not familiar with the man's name, are you sure you remember his theories? It just occurred to me that by saying Steven Hawkins that you may be confusing Steven Hawking with Richard Dawkins, who is a confirmed athiest. YES No. I meant Hawking. But feel free to make what you will of a typo. Sorry, skimmed through the book looking for that particular quote, but I did not see it after a couple of minutes looking and I have no desire to reread the whole book so soon. But, I do recall that he said explicitly, "that leaves room for God." Not that he believed that there was absolutely a God, nor the converse. Simply that the facts as we know them about the beginning of the universe leaves the possibility that there is a God. As I said before, scientific minds do not rule things out until they can be implicitly either proven or disproven scientifically. Neither of which is possible at the moment as far as God it concerned. As far as I'm concerned, God is pretty much the only plausibl... Ana al Haqq - I am God Mansur Al-Hallaj 9th Century Sufi Teacher and Mystic Certainly not "REAL" scientists. "REAL" scientists are too smart to believe in God. I just love the implication of the clip title. |
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