if God created you in His own image, then you are the King's kid, not King Kong's kid.God does not posses human body so there is no conflict of humans, being in God's image, or a monkey. Above seem to relay literalist ideas. 1 skwirlinator 2 my tree 3 your tree God actually does posses a body in Christ Jesus the King. There is another aspect on how we are created in the image of God that is not entirely materialistic. We are also created with a soul, a spiritual and immortal soul, which is part of our conscience, which completes and makes our humanity whole. I will agree to disagree on Christ being in the body of God but we're in agreement on soul which is immortal. Soul requires knowledge/intellect first to become a soul which is in an image of God. Only upon receiving knowledge/intellect, it becomes spiritual and completes itself. We can disagree on Christ's divinity, but I just want to clarify that I didn't say that Christ is merely in the body of God. He actually is God who took on a human form, a hypostatic union, two natures in one person, divine and human. Now if the soul is eternal and what you believe that the soul requires knowledge before actually becoming a soul, then does that mean that young children have no souls? I will have to disagree on this point, I believe the soul is comes into being at the moment of conception. young children does have soul but it is not actualized until it gets consciousness through intellect. Also, soul is not in the body, it is not a tangible substance. What do you believe happens to the soul of a young child when they die before the soul "actualizes" if the soul is eternal? The soul animates the body so therefore it must somehow be with the body, since the body and soul are individualistic in each person. We both agree the soul is not tangible, which we both can now exclude materialism in the philosophical sense. What do you believe happens to the soul of a young child when they die before the soul "actualizes" if the soul is eternal?The soul does not gets its nobility without acquiring knowledge through intellect, hence this question is irrelevant to some extent (irrelevant as in we can ask and wonder, but why ask and wonder for things which are irrelevant). So to answer your question specifically - as per my own interpretation and understanding - nothing happens to the soul of a young child when they die prior to actualization because the soul has not received the nobility yet. The soul is individualistic in each person based on the intellect we receive upon gaining consciousness, ... "Soul requires knowledge/intellect first to become a soul which is in an image of God." "young children does have soul but it is not actualized until it gets consciousness through intellect." "The soul does not gets its nobility without acquiring knowledge through intellect, hence this question is irrelevant to some extent" The question is quite relevant in my opinion because it brings up the nature of human children, who in your opinion, have ignoble souls. If that is the case, it would seem that children have a quality that is less than human, since a human is comprised of a physical body and a soul (actualized soul based on your opinion). A quite noble quality children have that most... That innocence is a field where we should all be, we actually loose that field due to ego. However, from scientific and psychological point of view, there is a very little difference between a soul of a child and a soul of an animal (this does not mean children and animals are not important). The humans are potentially superior over animals due to their soul's ability to receive intellect and reason through nourishment. The animal can go so far even with nourishment, but human being can go beyond if they receive nourishments. Who provides nourishment to such a soul/human? Some could say God/Maker, some would say their own mind, some would say other human beings, and some would say t... Sure the ego, the pride, the anthropocentric philosophic way of life is the spoiler to innocence. I should argue that humility is the opposite virtue of such a state and not necessarily intellect. I am not speaking of the humility that belittles oneself as is often portrayed but the humbleness in the true sense. Even though, if it is true, that the scientific and psychological view states that there is little difference between the soul of a child and that of an animal, I would have to remind you of the point we both agreed on being that man is made by the image of God which is a theological statement. A child has the potential to make good choices from their free will and that soul with th... 1. Who am I? I am Elizabeth. Wife, mother, daughter, priestess, etc 2. Where did I come from? The biological joining of my parents' cells & DNA 3. Where am I going? From birth to death, where I will be reunited with my loved ones who have crossed over. @ wiccantexan Curious about your thoughts on our discussion of the soul. I believe that souls are eternal, and that reincarnation hones the soul towards the journey of being reunited with the One, the Divine beyond human comprehension. When the soul enters a human body I don't know; I do not believe the soul animates the body itself. Babies are born without brain stems that are still living bodies. The soul, I believe, is an integral part of the consciousness, which begins when the brain begins functioning as a conscious force. @ wiccantexan Is the soul individual to each person? In other words is a soul exclusive to one single body? It is exclusive to a single body in each lifetime. Here's a visual. Hold your hand in front of you, fingers spread out. Each finger is an individual lifetime, unique unto itself. Yet, they are all connected to the palm, which would symbolize the soul. The soul is an eternal part of the Divine nature that carries a consciousness of each unique life within it. Discussion POP In the afterlife, will there be five persons sharing a single soul, for instance? If the soul is integral to the consciousness why are we not conscience of our past persons? (Disclaimer: All theories about the afterlife are speculation. This is what I believe.) No, five people will not share a single soul in the afterlife. In the non-physical world, time is fluid and not linear; each consciousness will be aware of what it sees as the afterlife. Many people ARE conscious of their past lives, but for the most part, we simply integrate past life memories into our psyches and don't even realize which parts of our personalities are linked to past or present. What would you say if I told you that we can know some things about the afterlife because the One has revealed certain things for us? The One only reveals things to the One. You cannot tell that to anyone else. The kind of knowledge you are talking about is something one receives in the heart, it cannot be told or preached. Efrain, I would tell you the same thing right back, and echo arifasali's comment. There is matter of private revelation which is not usually bearing upon the whole of humanity, which I would agree with both of you. It basically God reaching to an individual for their own good and generally directly irrelevant to next person. Indirectly it is better for the whole because some good on a personal scale ultimately leads to other good outside of the individual. I agree this private revelation is to be kept in the heart, to use biblical language: the heart of the soul, not necessarily the physical heart which pertains to one's own well being. Of course this should be kept and contemplated to make the best out of it which leads to a better understanding of it and better use of ... On the other hand, there is a matter of absolute revelationThat is the domain of prophets and messengers sent by GoD. According to Islamic preaching, they were 124,000 in total. The last of such prophet was Mohammad, and according to some, his revelation continues through his progeny - as Imams - until the day of resurrection. Anyone else - a mere mortal - touching this domain, would fall under the whims of human fallibility. You and I will starkly disagree this point forward, so I humbly digress from this discussion. We given the ability to discern and distinguish false and true revelation. This can easily be done by judging the fruit or the evidence of certain teachings. Otherwise if we were not given this ability we would be tossed to and fro with no firm foundation. False revelation can be useful to affirm what is true revelation. False revelation can easily be ruled out if it contradicts our given ability to reason. Reason and truth never contradict, they are two from the same source. God has used fallible men and women to teach infallible revelation which makes it truth. If a fallible man or woman teaches fallible revelation then it is not from God but human and should not be adhered to. So we a... But human revelation from a Divine source is infallible.I think the main problem with that is humans still seek to define what constitutes when a person's revelation has a Divine source. AKA, if an individual is not of an approved faith, then it's not a Divine source, but a deception. But humans believe they can determine the source of a person's personal inner revelation just by thinking they have "the Truth" and everyone else is being bamboozled. And so, we remain at an impasse. That is a problem when humans try to define revelation to their own standards as opposed to what revelation from God reveals. That is why we have absolute revelation which is for the all, while individual revelation if doesn't coincide with the absolute, is erroneous. But which or what form is absolute revelation? For if the Divine source is love, would want to establish a relationship with us but must reach out to us. Otherwise God would be indifferent, not caring and therefore imperfect which is improper of God. God reaches out to us and I believe if we seek we shall find. It is reciprocation to at least establish a relationship. God, who is love, desires this and would like for us to kn... |
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