 righthand says: So it's not just their minds that is to be ignorant? The delusion of abstinence to produce dumb breeding machines and army fodder? Do you remember how difficult it is to keep 'bad' thoughts out of your mind? The harder you try the harder it gets. I've an image of the Christian youth on his knees, blessing himself with one hand while wanking with the other. One of the most important intellectual realizations that I had was knowing that a church's god and my sex were incompatible. I've never regretted my decision. I'm just a human. Let others be mini gods. And let *them* reap the whirlwind of their promiscuity, diseases, poverty and addictions. alanocu...I did not wish to have my comment in any way connected with your sentiments. The title of the article seemed designed to defy all reason. The article took some information from a book almost 70 yrs. old and proceeded to build it's argument. When people are given fire to play with, mock it's dangers and those who warn of it's potential consequences, then I have little patience when they become burned. I want to apologize for my preceding comments. I have just been rightly convicted (in my Bible study!) for my lack of compassion, pity and mercy through Jude 24. I'm sorry and acknowledge that a critical spirit is a dominant area of sin in my life. jatfla - that's very tender-spirited! Awesome. Your love of God is showing! Hugs to you, Jatfla. Children should be taught to accept and deal with their sexuality, not repress it. The lesson should be about responsibility (hard enough considering the combination of hormones and inexperience), focus on that and I think the kids will be alright. Tell then not to do something and voila, the hay flies all over the place! Tell then not to do something and voila, the hay flies all over the place!True. Just as the EVIDENCE of locking people up has not worked so with sex. Yes the article highlights the foolishness of the consequence of sexual activity 70 years ago. So must you wait a further 70 years to prove you are doing it right now. Give me one thing that you've got right in 8 years or more and then when you regress as now with sex then I'll listen to your arguement. Why did your god make mankind highly sexed at 10 years and then you want to deny them sex in any manifestation until they marry? Can you be serious? Fine there are a few virtually sexless persons but should these determine se... What is it with Americans and sex? What's the big deal? Americans and sex....there is just not enough space to cover it here! This is a very sensitive subject and nobody can make anyone else agree to their opinion unless their heart and mind agrees with it. I used to be religious and was taught abstinence till marriage - I now believe that we are sexual beings and we should be open, honest and upfront with ourselves & our children. We should be comfortable enough with ourselves, our body & our sexuality to teach our children that sex is an expression of themselves, but also the pros & cons of intercourse before they are ready. Anyway, there is too little space to go into this argument here. I just want to say that everyone is entitled to their op... Complete and absolute peace and joy can be found in a monogamous, committed relationship. We use to call it 'marriage'. It provided the very best opportunities for security, self-worth, self-respect, and the best environment for children with the positive influences of both a mother & father. When I look around at society and see the horrible tragedies and broken lives of people, I'm convinced that the breakdown of the family unit and the failure of the grown-ups to met their responsibilites has done more damage to our precious children and our society than any thing else that the world can throw at us. Irresponsibility and self-centeredness makes me very angry. Marriage is all well and good, but it is not a panacea. Ideally one would find the right person, but it takes a lot of searching to do that (for most people). Seems like the topic demands a great deal of humility and compassion. Every time I think I know something about sex, a couple of years pass, and I realize I was wrong. I sure would like to undo a few old sermons! thumbs up jatfla  good article I clipped yesterday here: http://www.zcommunications.org/zmag/viewArticle/17498 Backlash to the Bushie program and the propaganda the abstinence jazzbos bring. I mean no disrespect to honest people but ignorance about sexuality is just dangerous. Teens are jammed with hormones stronger than old ideas. Time to get real. Sexual perversion is the result of sexual repression. Big deal, society has made such a huge emphasis on sex (a natural bodily function). Sex is like blowing your nose, or going to the toilet. Even though we have differences there are those commonalities. In bizarro world; it would be the opposite, total understanding of sex, but ablution repression. Sorry by ablution I mean going to the toilet, taking a crap, powder ones nose etc, and not the washing of a priest's hands. Is it the ideal marriage where the male was boss, the wife a child bearing sexless machine, and the kids 'seen but not heard' type of marriage that is this idea marriage that some promote? If marriage is between equals what does a piece of state paper have to do with it? Is it not for the state and religion - they were the same thing - to control the citizens. How long is it since the wife was the property of her husband? I remember. Whatever about males harking back to the 'good old day' of male rule at home. I'm very worried about any female that wants that back. How good a job of brainwashing has their male pastor done on these deluded females? What are the facts? Check on ClipMarks and all is revealed about USA teens. Of course not covered widely in repressed US where if you ignore it, it goes away. We in Ireland had all this in our recent past when clerical abuse prospered too. Not now. Teen sex study doubts "technical virginity" Tue May 20, 2008 A survey examining sexual practices of U.S. teens has undercut the notion that many engage in oral sex rather than intercourse to stay "technically" virgins. 55% of the teens said they had engaged in oral sex but that this practice was far more common among those who also had engaged in vaginal sex. They began vaginal and oral... ---Complete and absolute peace and joy can be found in a monogamous, committed relationship. We use to call it 'marriage'. It provided the very best opportunities for security, self-worth, self-respect,--- I agree completely. These things 'can' be found in committed relationships. I also agree that complete and absolute peace & joy can be found 'outside' of a committed relationship. And I say that as one in a twelve year committed relationship. Where we go off course, is in the attempt to take what makes US happy and make that a social standard. Coming from a long religious background, I know from experience how a group of people with a belief system can fight, scratch and claw the hea... --- What is it with sex and Americans? Whats the big deal? --- I've wondered that as well. I think that a lot of the stigma of sex and sexual awareness is due to the challenge of certain religious systems the subject of sex brings. As we become more aware and enlightened to our bodies incredible ability to produce pleasure, we start to question and challenge any 'system' that tries to take that away using such tried and true enforcers as guilt and threat of hell. In the corporate world, a business puts systems in place to control day to day operations, enforce policies etc. People are not 'corporate structures'. We have consciousness, self awareness and evolution. You can't put syste... --- What is it with sex and Americans? Whats the big deal? --- I'm not sure if this question means: >What is the big American hang-up about sex? or > What is the big American hyped-up appetite for sex? Humm...One mistake common is to think the USA was founded by people who wanted 'freedom to worship as you believe,' etc. No. The English people who started this country were Puritans. They wanted to be able to practice THEIR religion. & Their religion was, well... it was 'puritan.' If the Spanish,French or Dutch colonies had evolved to become the USA we'd be different, but instead it was uptight Brits, who fled their country because they wanted to be "purer,' than th... digitalsistere - I agree with you completely! That's what I was trying to convey in my post, but you put it much better. Teaching our children about sex, their bodies and their responsibilities and human beings and as pro-creators is the missing piece, especially in America. For instance, ever hear of rampant rapes, sexual crimes, abuse, incest, etc. in nudist/naturist colonies? Rarely, if ever, especially in the overseas colonies. That's because children were raised to understand that their certain parts of their bodies are no more 'bad/shameful/dirty/private/embarrassing' than others (a nipple showing is no different than a finger showing) - and that their sexuality and desires are a nor... Complete and absolute peace and joy can be found in a monogamous, committed relationship. We use to call it 'marriage'. I think a lot can be said for a monogamous, committed relationship, just as jatfla mentions. Who promotes that righthand? I don't mean to be critical of your opinions, all of which are valid and meaningful.It was not I that introduced 'marriage' into my this clip if you'd read back from the beginning and it was you that continued by agreeing with the digression. Be critical of my opinions if you disagree. I cannot abide comments that attempt to agree with opposite opinions. I've more respect for someone... I am not sure what it is with Americans and sex. But I don't think I know a middle-aged American male who is at peace with himself sexually. I suspect we have put the Bible on steroids over and over, and adapted cultural assumptions of what it must mean, rather than thinking more deeply. Many of those who became close to Jesus were not people who fit the sexual propriety of the day. It suggests that the heart of faith is somehow deeper than what's bad and what's good in the eyes of those around. It's more "inner". I can't see God and sex and incompatible; but I often see the cultural/religious view of God and sex as rather dramatically simplistic. For instance, ever hear of rampant rapes, sexual crimes, abuse, incest,Bravo for the statement.We suppress disease and unwanted pregnancy...absolutely. Through Education and parental involvement,we can guide teens through this phase.For tens of generations,teens have had sex married or not.Just because we have extended lifespan does not give us biological control over what was or is meant to be.It is a very vulnerable,frightening,wond... Yep, good thought. Helping kids survive well and whole - and surviving ourselves - is pretty good. |
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