Hi, AcesLucky!
You obviously enjoy teasing everybody who use word “God” in his texts.
It is funny, why not, but you have one basic problem here: it works only as long as you tightly stick on some presupposes (mostly with Christian origins) about what God is and what are His intentions.
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Obviously guy belief in this story that his destiny is to be “saved” by God “personally” was wrong (and not very modest, too) and result was his death.

But hey, maybe God actually saved them when he took him “up”; maybe without a house and his beloved ones (it is just a story so we can say they died in flood, too) guy’s life on earth would turn into long lasting misery, but now, in haven, he is ha...

Hi, AcesLucky!
You obviously enjoy teasing everybody who use word “God” in his texts.
It is funny, why not, but you have one basic problem here: it works only as long as you tightly stick on some presupposes (mostly with Christian origins) about what God is and what are His intentions.
________
Obviously guy belief in this story that his destiny is to be “saved” by God “personally” was wrong (and not very modest, too) and result was his death.

But hey, maybe God actually saved them when he took him “up”; maybe without a house and his beloved ones (it is just a story so we can say they died in flood, too) guy’s life on earth would turn into long lasting misery, but now, in haven, he is happy together with his beloved ones…

Please don’t take that I think all this literally; I just suggested one of a thousand alternative possibilities why one event can turn on this way or another.
With this “additional thoughts” we turn out of the simple moral of the story (Help yourselves first and God will then help you).
Sorry, arifsali.

AccesLucky,
there is something special on you...
Considering that term God has terribly different meanings for different peoples I take this moral as opened allegory and from this point of view I am deeply convinced it is true.
But… I really don’t know how to tell you this on short way (and I must fight with English, too):
Every creature, every possible Being (not only alive one) – in fact every information - in Universe has point of integrity, which is in fact its center of individuality. From this individual center every Being performs its unique and unrepeatable relationship with its environment (microcosms) through some kind of time string, and simultaneously it performs relationship wi...

AccesLucky,
there is something special on you...
Considering that term God has terribly different meanings for different peoples I take this moral as opened allegory and from this point of view I am deeply convinced it is true.
But… I really don’t know how to tell you this on short way (and I must fight with English, too):
Every creature, every possible Being (not only alive one) – in fact every information - in Universe has point of integrity, which is in fact its center of individuality. From this individual center every Being performs its unique and unrepeatable relationship with its environment (microcosms) through some kind of time string, and simultaneously it performs relationship with entire existence (macrocosms). This second type of relationship is not based on any time string, it is super-temporal.
On this macrocosms level essence of any information is eternal, indestructible; on this base continuality of connection between groups of information is preserved, which is furthermore base for continuality of individuality. Off cause this goes far beyond 3D physical reality.
You too, as one such a being, are in essence one individual informational center in the heart of the universe. This center (you are) is as powerful as it is diverse, complex and harmonious at the same time. So all your deepest intention on Earth and in Cosmos is to slowly informational grow up so much that “one day” you will embrace “all” (in fact there is no such thing as “all”, it is actually optimum) cosmic information (knowledge and power) on YOUR INDIVIDUAL WAY.

Continuation…
Imagine that Cosmos as informational entity has center of individuality and integrity. It is unimaginable powerful Being, but it can’t grow anymore – he is maximum (optimum) what one Being can be. He is Ultimate Being; “God” by human terms. He doesn’t need to grow anymore but He need to maintain His state of optimality and his individuality. So He grows – but not outwards, He grows inwards. How? He “create” and maintain creatures within His “body” and this creatures have all informational potency as Hi has, but they need to comprehend this potency on their own individual way. In fact on this way “God” multiplies himself endlessly…
Uh, this is hard…
But here we are - here is con...

Continuation…
Imagine that Cosmos as informational entity has center of individuality and integrity. It is unimaginable powerful Being, but it can’t grow anymore – he is maximum (optimum) what one Being can be. He is Ultimate Being; “God” by human terms. He doesn’t need to grow anymore but He need to maintain His state of optimality and his individuality. So He grows – but not outwards, He grows inwards. How? He “create” and maintain creatures within His “body” and this creatures have all informational potency as Hi has, but they need to comprehend this potency on their own individual way. In fact on this way “God” multiplies himself endlessly…
Uh, this is hard…
But here we are - here is conclusion: by this doctrine you are “only” one version of God – you are raising God. Your destiny (as destiny of any limited creature) is to grow informational through eons to the point of optimum integrity with ultimate information – with “God”. What you get is “Godlike” individuality, what “God” gets is another “conformation of his greatnesses”.
Isn’t this very optimistic point of view – at least on long term?
Whatever you do, wherever you go, “God” will NEVER turn back to you – how can you turn back to yourselves?!
But you are the one who chose your paths (even when you think you are not), and those paths are not always necessarily easy and splendid. You are painter who paints picture of your own life on your own original way. This is why your life (as any life) is absolutely sacred. This is why free will exists…and so on…

Off course you can take this as strange or even weird story, but I assure you it is much more than that. But, you know, words are weak medium actually.
It is very rare that I am ready to talk to anybody about this topic (I don’t know, must be something in the air), so AccesLucky, consider this as my expression of special respect to you.
In this sense may I hope you will not judge me too strong now?

I think your thoughts are quite fine in your description of god. I've had those thoughts too; and would define god in those terms as well, and have.

But I recognize in my infinite stupidity, the necessity for asking myself, "how do I know it's true?"

Just because I feel my thoughts are correct, I must still test them for bias, and accuracy. Confirmation bias is inherent in all our thoughts! Otherwise we'd be thinking something else.

By what mechanism, then, may I test the truthfulness, the accuracy of my own thinking?

Like a good scientist, I give my best hypothesis, my best guess based on all the information I have. And then I MUST ruthlessly seek to DISprove it.

(Because it's the mos...

I think your thoughts are quite fine in your description of god. I've had those thoughts too; and would define god in those terms as well, and have.

But I recognize in my infinite stupidity, the necessity for asking myself, "how do I know it's true?"

Just because I feel my thoughts are correct, I must still test them for bias, and accuracy. Confirmation bias is inherent in all our thoughts! Otherwise we'd be thinking something else.

By what mechanism, then, may I test the truthfulness, the accuracy of my own thinking?

Like a good scientist, I give my best hypothesis, my best guess based on all the information I have. And then I MUST ruthlessly seek to DISprove it.

(Because it's the most efficient path. Instead of trying to gather an infinite amount of data to prove my thought, I only need ONE fact of datum to disprove it!)

But it takes personal honesty and a quest that puts truth higher than adornments, or feel-good platitudes.

The macrocosm doesn't care about our feelings or our thoughts, or whether we are right or wrong. But it can wipe us off the face of existence if we are caught stupid. Nature doesn't know we exist!

Might there be a god that cares? I say test that theory! But do it honestly, and you'll find that knowledge is more important to the survival of our race than wishful thinking.

We've only been here for a blink in earth's history. But we have emerged as among the most intelligent.

Wouldn't it be an awful punchline for the human race to destroyed itself by relying on an imaginary being that never once produced itself to say or do anything?

Are you familiar with the double negation theory for God?

Good point, Arifsali!


AcessLucky

The macrocosm doesn't care about our feelings or our
thoughts, or whether we are right or wrong. But it can wipe us off the face of
existence if we are caught stupid. Nature doesn't know we exist!

Might there be a god that cares? I say test that theory! But do it honestly,
and you'll find that knowledge is more important to the survival of our race
than wishful thinking.

You convinced me here that you don’t really seek for truth
because you already HAVE your “truth” and you fight everything what oppose it. You
can talk about honesty, reasoning, resea...

Are you familiar with the double negation theory for God?

Good point, Arifsali!


AcessLucky

The macrocosm doesn't care about our feelings or our
thoughts, or whether we are right or wrong. But it can wipe us off the face of
existence if we are caught stupid. Nature doesn't know we exist!

Might there be a god that cares? I say test that theory! But do it honestly,
and you'll find that knowledge is more important to the survival of our race
than wishful thinking.

You convinced me here that you don’t really seek for truth
because you already HAVE your “truth” and you fight everything what oppose it. You
can talk about honesty, reasoning, researching etc only in frame of your vigorous
personal set of believes (materialistic axioms). Unfortunately this has nothing with honesty
or rational researching. There are other elements highly involved - emotions in
the first place.

You are polite, thanks, but with your statements you show
me that you don’t really care what I am talking about. You are tricking me a little,
aren’t you?

No, and your confirmation bias has caused you to completely mis the point.

Truth is not the conclusion or opinion we are left with from our wishful thinking, or our carefully thought out ideas. It is what IS. It is actuality. It is the actual current state of affairs. And that truth doesn't care what we concluded.

To posit the existence of an infinite being that cares about us is wishful thinking, EVEN IF ITS TRUE. It's wishful thinking because we have no proof of it.

To carry on, therefore, as if it IS true, when even the slightest natural event (another ice age, for example, or a meteor, or a man made bomb, etc..) can wipe us clean off the stage of existence, is nothing more than sheer ...

No, and your confirmation bias has caused you to completely mis the point.

Truth is not the conclusion or opinion we are left with from our wishful thinking, or our carefully thought out ideas. It is what IS. It is actuality. It is the actual current state of affairs. And that truth doesn't care what we concluded.

To posit the existence of an infinite being that cares about us is wishful thinking, EVEN IF ITS TRUE. It's wishful thinking because we have no proof of it.

To carry on, therefore, as if it IS true, when even the slightest natural event (another ice age, for example, or a meteor, or a man made bomb, etc..) can wipe us clean off the stage of existence, is nothing more than sheer folly.

To rely on imaginary beings to save us is superstition. (Especially when we are smart enough to rely on ourselves.) That is not an emotional assessment. Look at the data, and you'll find many species go extinct.

First, hello arifsali again. You see AcesLucky and I stuck here a little.
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AcesLucky

You and I started to repeat ourselves
here terribly.

It is what IS. It is actuality.
It is the actual current state of affairs.

There is NO absolute CURRENT
STATE, only relative, bounded to OBSERVERS. This is world of ever-changing
subjective unity of information, not world of facts. It is you who processes this
informational unity through your brains and interpret it as “current state”. Then
you make agreements with others like you that something is actuality for all of
you (and then you make agreements with others like you that THIS must be ultimate
actuality for ever...

First, hello arifsali again. You see AcesLucky and I stuck here a little.
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AcesLucky

You and I started to repeat ourselves
here terribly.

It is what IS. It is actuality.
It is the actual current state of affairs.

There is NO absolute CURRENT
STATE, only relative, bounded to OBSERVERS. This is world of ever-changing
subjective unity of information, not world of facts. It is you who processes this
informational unity through your brains and interpret it as “current state”. Then
you make agreements with others like you that something is actuality for all of
you (and then you make agreements with others like you that THIS must be ultimate
actuality for everybody).

There is no absolute current
state. The physics knows that from quantum mechanics. In the chaos theory you
can find nice examples, too; do you know good old question “How long is the British
coastline?” Depends on how accurate measurement
is. With extreme accurate measurement you will find out that the British
coastline has infinite length… Nobody can say Great Britain is not big country…

As I know “actuality” is nothing but “agreement”
of countless numbers of individuals on different stage of existence (from parts
of atoms to humans and furthermore).

Continuation…

It's wishful thinking because we
have no proof of it.

This is why you and I can’t come
closer in our statements: you presuppose if YOU have no proof than NOBODY have
a proof. You firs enthroned the materialistic standards (you BELIEVE they are
only possible rational standards) and then you built a castle around them. Now
you are sitting in the center of this castle and what you can see are thick
walls, impenetrable boundaries which gradually becomes boundaries of your inner
world. What is totally irrational with this is your BELIEVE that for you (or for
anybody) it is catastrophically dangerous to make step out off this boundaries.
This is why your believes are...

Continuation…

It's wishful thinking because we
have no proof of it.

This is why you and I can’t come
closer in our statements: you presuppose if YOU have no proof than NOBODY have
a proof. You firs enthroned the materialistic standards (you BELIEVE they are
only possible rational standards) and then you built a castle around them. Now
you are sitting in the center of this castle and what you can see are thick
walls, impenetrable boundaries which gradually becomes boundaries of your inner
world. What is totally irrational with this is your BELIEVE that for you (or for
anybody) it is catastrophically dangerous to make step out off this boundaries.
This is why your believes are driven by emotions (mostly with fear), not by intellectual
honesty.

From my point of view it is catastrophically
dangerous to stay inside those kinds of boundaries for any cost.

I HAVE many strong proofs for my convictions,
but I can’t present them to you, because “mechanisms” for accomplishing these
proofs don’t fit into boundaries of your “castle”.

No offence.

Can we stop to repeat ourselves?
I will, from this point.

Yes, I am very familiar with the "I can imagine it, therefore it is real" mode of thinking. And Quantum Mechanics has misled many into thinking that the world is fluid enough to conform to our subjective concept of personal relativity.

It's a misinterpretation. And I can prove it.

I want you to find a good size brick and hold it over your head; and with all your might, think it will float, and then let it go!

You'll find that your interpretation of QM didn't change the ISness ( the actuality, the CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS) of the reality you think is so 'subject to' what you observe or believe.

If you do the experiment in earnest, I am confident you will meet with the same results that a...

Yes, I am very familiar with the "I can imagine it, therefore it is real" mode of thinking. And Quantum Mechanics has misled many into thinking that the world is fluid enough to conform to our subjective concept of personal relativity.

It's a misinterpretation. And I can prove it.

I want you to find a good size brick and hold it over your head; and with all your might, think it will float, and then let it go!

You'll find that your interpretation of QM didn't change the ISness ( the actuality, the CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS) of the reality you think is so 'subject to' what you observe or believe.

If you do the experiment in earnest, I am confident you will meet with the same results that anyone else would. [Proves veracity and duplicability.]

And should you earnestly asses the data from the experiment (that anyone else can duplicate and verify), you will agree that the data does not support your current idea about the subjectivity of reality.

Nor will it support that I am somehow thinking with my emotions.

In fact, it should bring you back to reality, that the world of imagination (or emotionalism) does NOT supersede the world of materialism.

The imaginary must be transformed INTO the real world of materialism to have its maximum power.

But you don't have to take my word for it. DO the experiment and judge the results for yourself. But do it honestly. Don't pretend. Do it FOR REAL.

Do it until you are satisfied that the results you obtain are not going to change, regardless of what you believe. And THAT is what I mean by the ISness of truth. We either get it right, or we get clobbered.

PS: By all means, invoke a deity in your effort to make it float. But be HONEST about the data in reporting your results.

PSS: I'll bet you a buck you won't do the experiment.. because deep down, you already know that that materialistic brick is not an agreement.... It's REAL.

And it does not care about your point of observation, your ideas or beliefs, or your gods.

This has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with exposing credulity and superstition.

Science is under attack by religion. Peace is under attack by religion. And freedom is under attack by religion.

Recently a poor young woman got stoned to death because of an ancient religious law that is still practiced. People still believe in that law because they still believe in that religion.

Pres. Bush, the most powerful leader in the world, believes Jesus will be back within 50 years, so no point in taking care of the earth. And he's got thousands of nukes at his disposal!

And I'm supposed to think theocracy is safe? No sir.

I will not sit silently by while the world reverts back t...

This has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with exposing credulity and superstition.

Science is under attack by religion. Peace is under attack by religion. And freedom is under attack by religion.

Recently a poor young woman got stoned to death because of an ancient religious law that is still practiced. People still believe in that law because they still believe in that religion.

Pres. Bush, the most powerful leader in the world, believes Jesus will be back within 50 years, so no point in taking care of the earth. And he's got thousands of nukes at his disposal!

And I'm supposed to think theocracy is safe? No sir.

I will not sit silently by while the world reverts back to the dark ages. I want our world to become a BETTER place, not worse. And I want humankind to live; to survive.

But we must first survive our own stupidity. We must insist on the truth. That means questioning authority, and the destructive beliefs of tradition. Even our own.

Imagine if the Muslims had nukes.

And then tell me... would humankind be safer? Better? Or would we ALL be closer to extinction?

But the not so funny punchline is... why?

It sounds reasonable as you talking this way. But I already realized what you are ACTUALLY doing and this puts your “noble endeavors” into another perspective.
Spirituality has many forms in this world. Religion is only one, it is institutionalized spirituality. And off course a lot of foolish teachings are involved; and positive teachings, too.
But as I see on net, you fight against ANY expression of spirituality, not only religion or some religion dogmas. At the same tame you are exposing roughly your materialistic dogma as something unambiguous. On this way you are not very different from fundamentalists you want to bring back on light of truth – you fight for YOUR VERSION of truth.
I ...

It sounds reasonable as you talking this way. But I already realized what you are ACTUALLY doing and this puts your “noble endeavors” into another perspective.
Spirituality has many forms in this world. Religion is only one, it is institutionalized spirituality. And off course a lot of foolish teachings are involved; and positive teachings, too.
But as I see on net, you fight against ANY expression of spirituality, not only religion or some religion dogmas. At the same tame you are exposing roughly your materialistic dogma as something unambiguous. On this way you are not very different from fundamentalists you want to bring back on light of truth – you fight for YOUR VERSION of truth.
I lived under communistic regime for many years, you know. I can tell you many stories about community without spirituality or religion (one of my relative was even mass murderer near after Second World War…).
Actually I was victim of this “absence of spirituality” myself through my own parents. How? Take spirituality from people and they will rich for substitute – any kind of drug; alcohol at first place.
What you obviously don’t realize is that people don’t live from materialistic goods at first place; they live from INNER GOODS (no matter that can be illusive or even unhealthy sometimes) at first place.
One can have abundance of “material food”, and yet one will commit suicide (drug taking is in fact act of suicide, too, but on longer term) when stays without last “bit” of “inner food”.
In US “the percentage of adults who adhere to "no religion" is under 10 % (from official statistic). And I am sure that most of this 10 % are adherent to some kind of spirituality (or at least superstition).
It means you want to change persuasions for about 99 % of world population…?!
And what you can give in return for? Rude truth as YOU can comprehend it?

Continuation:
Take any spiritual sensation from people and you got world of drug addicted (former Soviet Union is only one example) - something totally opposite from more happy and more reasonable world.
I am man in forties and I am talking from my comprehensive and bitter experiences.
Believe me, “pure science” or “pure truth” (what a fanny terms) can’t help absolutely anything, if human hearts are empty from some inner superlative. And any kind of “truth” originated from materialistic science is not this kind of superlative and will NEVER be!
AcesLucky, through the way how you communicate with people (mental roughness with touch of cynicism) you don’t give me an impression that you really ...

Continuation:
Take any spiritual sensation from people and you got world of drug addicted (former Soviet Union is only one example) - something totally opposite from more happy and more reasonable world.
I am man in forties and I am talking from my comprehensive and bitter experiences.
Believe me, “pure science” or “pure truth” (what a fanny terms) can’t help absolutely anything, if human hearts are empty from some inner superlative. And any kind of “truth” originated from materialistic science is not this kind of superlative and will NEVER be!
AcesLucky, through the way how you communicate with people (mental roughness with touch of cynicism) you don’t give me an impression that you really want to help to anybody. It is almost that you enjoying pushing people in the corner. What is really problematic here: you obviously don’t care about possible negative consequences.
Do you aware that maybe you attack somebody who is “on edge” and whisper for some kindness and security just to survive another day, and then you come with your mental arrogance to take his tiny last hope from him… because you want to save human race from extinction…
It is black humor but I can’t laugh on it.
In my country we have quote: “Slepec slepca vodi.” It means something like this: “Blind man is guided by blind man.”
You want to be helpful? Than stop what you are doing now and start to do what all big leaders in history did: start to work about close recognition of your “enemy” – spirituality and religion. You have to start first to learn about better distinguishing between right and wrong.
If you are very bright (and I think you are), you will need at least ten years of deep and honest studying.
Than come and start your mission again. And you’ll be able to help – if unselfish help is your attention and destiny in your life.
…in the meantime - don’t worry, be happy…

Spirituality has many forms in this world. Religion is only one, it is institutionalized spirituality.

Take any spiritual sensation from people and you got world of drug addicted (former Soviet Union is only one example) - something totally opposite from more happy and more reasonable world.

I think you are equating spirituality with goodness and kindness. That is a misconception; a common mistake. Remember, the highly spiritual Popes presided over the Inquisitions. They were among the most brutal of human history.

The fact is, spirituality has nothing to do with goodness and kindness.

The goodness and kindness of which we both endeavor and hope for is more ...

Spirituality has many forms in this world. Religion is only one, it is institutionalized spirituality.

Take any spiritual sensation from people and you got world of drug addicted (former Soviet Union is only one example) - something totally opposite from more happy and more reasonable world.

I think you are equating spirituality with goodness and kindness. That is a misconception; a common mistake. Remember, the highly spiritual Popes presided over the Inquisitions. They were among the most brutal of human history.

The fact is, spirituality has nothing to do with goodness and kindness.

The goodness and kindness of which we both endeavor and hope for is more appropriately termed Secular Humanism.

It is entirely focused on how well we treat each other, not in the name of a deity, but because it has our best interests in mind.

But I do confess, if a person needs to believe in a god to keep them from doing evil, then by all means...I hope they keep believing.

I think you are equating
spirituality with goodness and kindness. That is a misconception; a common
mistake. Remember, the highly spiritual Popes presided over the Inquisitions.
They were among the most brutal of human history.

I am using term spirituality as term
which in its fundamentals is (but in practices not necessary is – because of
inherent human ignorance) better base for goodness and kindness than Secular
Humanism. Why? – It is long story again (from here my advice to you for 10
years studying). But REALLY spiritually developed people are more holistic,
more creative and at first place more MODEST in his acts. And again – this is
not necessary connected with any kin...

I think you are equating
spirituality with goodness and kindness. That is a misconception; a common
mistake. Remember, the highly spiritual Popes presided over the Inquisitions.
They were among the most brutal of human history.

I am using term spirituality as term
which in its fundamentals is (but in practices not necessary is – because of
inherent human ignorance) better base for goodness and kindness than Secular
Humanism. Why? – It is long story again (from here my advice to you for 10
years studying). But REALLY spiritually developed people are more holistic,
more creative and at first place more MODEST in his acts. And again – this is
not necessary connected with any kind of religion!

The fact is, spirituality has
nothing to do with goodness and kindness.

You simply don’t poses adequate knowledge
about spirituality to say something like this. You persistently mix term “spiritual”
with term “religious” because you can attack some obviously not very bright
religious dogmas, but at the other hand you are simply not spiritually educated
enough to understand deepest meaning of many very complex and abstract
spiritual dogmas.

One thing is that Popes were
religious leaders, and totally another thing is question how positive spiritually
developed and educated they were (most of them obviously not much).

It is entirely focused on how
well we treat each other,

Holistic spiritual approach is
not limited only on “how well we treat each other”, because one thing becomes
more and more obvious for raising number of people: we treat each other on the
way we treat another living beings around us – especially animals; and whole
nature around us (and this is painful and long story again).

You are right. I concede.

We should concoct in our imaginations an infinite being who desires to protect us and guide us and give us immortality (after we're already dead).

We should believe that the universe is aware of us and strives to keep us alive. And that the universe somehow conforms to (or actually is) our thoughts.

We should believe that we are right in our concoctions and if necessary kill others that do not agree with our beliefs.

And we should call our thoughts...spiritual, because they are ABOVE the real world reality in which we actually live our lives.

But above all...we will never die!

So testing our thoughts for accuracy and honesty is simply not necessary. After al...

You are right. I concede.

We should concoct in our imaginations an infinite being who desires to protect us and guide us and give us immortality (after we're already dead).

We should believe that the universe is aware of us and strives to keep us alive. And that the universe somehow conforms to (or actually is) our thoughts.

We should believe that we are right in our concoctions and if necessary kill others that do not agree with our beliefs.

And we should call our thoughts...spiritual, because they are ABOVE the real world reality in which we actually live our lives.

But above all...we will never die!

So testing our thoughts for accuracy and honesty is simply not necessary. After all, we wouldn't want to discover any facts that do not agree with our thoughts, would we?

So to put these thoughts ABOVE scrutiny, we'll give them a special name. We'll call these thoughts... faith.

Peace be with you duvelic.

I couldn’t resist copying this part of article and past it
here because (by my modest opinion) it reflects AcesLucky type of character so
well (and I admit – partially my own, too)…



… Some individuals just cannot cooperate. To get back to
the 6th ray again: the 6th ray, of all the rays, finds it difficult to
cooperate because of its marked individuality. The 6th ray is the ray of
idealism but the idealism is always individualistically expressed. In every
group you will find people, powerfully governed by the 6th ray, who are in such
groups because of their idealism. Their motive is totally good, idealistic and
worthy, but their mode of procedure, because their idealism is focused in thei...

I couldn’t resist copying this part of article and past it
here because (by my modest opinion) it reflects AcesLucky type of character so
well (and I admit – partially my own, too)…



… Some individuals just cannot cooperate. To get back to
the 6th ray again: the 6th ray, of all the rays, finds it difficult to
cooperate because of its marked individuality. The 6th ray is the ray of
idealism but the idealism is always individualistically expressed. In every
group you will find people, powerfully governed by the 6th ray, who are in such
groups because of their idealism. Their motive is totally good, idealistic and
worthy, but their mode of procedure, because their idealism is focused in their
own individuality, prevents them from cooperating with the other members. They
can work for the group, sometimes very effectively, but not with the group.
Cooperation means working with, working together, finding wise compromise. The
6th-ray types find it very difficult to compromise because they are always
right. What is the point, they think, of compromising with somebody who is
wrong? That is the approach of the 6th ray. It would be stupid to give up my
right for their wrong. Only a fool would do that. The 6th-ray person is not a
fool. He may be blind, bigoted and obstinate, but that is something else. …




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