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4-12-2006 11:31 AM
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egoldstein says:
my 2 cents...
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4-12-2006 11:47 AM
kmcolo
I'd suggest an understanding of Tribalism as to why it might be difficult to keep the positive culture going as you grow. I believe you have plans for sub-groups or some such, which should be a way to reduce the trabalistic (or, to be more accurate, use the tribalistic) tendencies in people.
4-12-2006 12:05 PM
skwirlinator
As long as it doesn't become another Digg!
Too bad there isn't a place to put a 'Charter'.
Or a way to make key clips such as this reoccur at intervals.
Perhaps a bigger link to the ClipMarks Blog so you could put a 'Charter' for ClipMarks where it could be referenced.

4-12-2006 12:20 PM
skwirlinator
Wait...Maybe this is your 500th ClipMark! Still cause for celebration! WooHoo!!!!
4-12-2006 12:29 PM
arifsali
If each one of us understand and follow these simple guidelines then yes, the true nirvana can be achieved, but you have to have sub-groups within, sort of like people elavating people to next level. For example, those who wish to stay engagged in social dynamic process are being elavated to a sub-group where expectations and engagements are layed out and understood in advance, making them separate from newbies.

Scott Peck, psychologist, author:

* Pseudocommunity: This is a stage where the members pretend to have a bon homie with one another, and cover up their differences, by acting as if the differences do not exist.

* Chaos: When pseudocommunity fails to work, the members start falli...
4-12-2006 12:29 PM
adamc
It is his 500th! Congrats egoldstein!


4-12-2006 12:31 PM
egoldstein
skwirlinator wrote...
Or a way to make key clips such as this reoccur at intervals.
well, the key to this is having a way to define "key" clips. of course, that has to be done by all of us collectively. with that in mind, we're hoping that popping a clipmark becomes more integral to the experience. kind of like...

"think this is a key clip?" then pop it! this should have two effects:

1) the more a clipmark is popped, the more it will go to the top for other people to see, which gives it even more chances to get popped.

2) real soon, (hopefully by tonight) we're going to introduce a POPular section (will kind of replace Hot) where you can see the clipmarks that have got...
4-12-2006 12:32 PM
egoldstein
great comment arifsali...thanks for posting!
4-12-2006 3:32 PM
BigBadWolf
While I have been away for a while due to some time consuming projects I've been involved with, I have to say, in the short time I was a part of Clipmarks I learned quite a bit.

There is something I don't feel I could ever say about digg, "part of clipmarks." I think that's the difference here... it IS somewhat of a community. At first I was frustrated by the scale of subjects that the public clipmarks spanned. However, in a matter of days I had grown to appreciate the diversity because I was being informed of subjects I had chosen to ignore. My wife was astounded at the material I was now discussing with her because I hadn't held those intellectual and/or spiritual conversations with her ...
4-12-2006 3:42 PM
london2020
I think what makes Clipmarks great, special and unique is that it's the only online application to cut and keep pieces of actual websites. This is its main feature and even if there was no community and public clipmarks, still the ability to create and store clipmarks for oneself would be enough important. I say this to put things on perspective, of course from my personal view. There are hundreds of thousands of online forums and places to leave comments, but only one clipmarking application. I guess as long as people is civilized, the social aspect of Clipmarks will continue doing very well.
4-12-2006 3:43 PM
egoldstein
BigBadWolf (gotta love being able to call someone that), i feel the exact same way. For a long time i worried...and many people told me...that a problem with clipmarks was the diversity - you could even say randomness - of information that's presented.

However, just recently i began to feel very strongly that this diversity of information is a very positive thing that makes clipmarks special. Because of it I have learned so much about many things that i otherwise would not have made time to find out about. And i've been talking with people about topics that i never have before. Quite honestly, i barely ever to tag-specific searches. Would rather just see what's being clipped about al...
4-12-2006 3:54 PM
BigBadWolf
Eric... as many of us are beginning to understand, the diversity of clipmarks is what will set it apart from other sites. The fact that you and Adam are here daily (and are friendly to boot!) is just another feather in the clipmarks cap.

London... well said!

BTW, friends call me Wolf or Rich.
4-12-2006 4:11 PM
adamc
Thanks for the kind words Rich. While being here daily is critical for us to build the platform we know Clipmarks can become, it has just become a pleasurable experience.

That stems directly from the people who make up this community -- the people who contribute and participate and play in what I now call the "clip exchange." You guys are simply awesome.

I have complete faith that if we continue to build this ship together with the passion and the integrity that everyone has exhibited thus far, we will stay true as we grow.
4-13-2006 12:20 AM
djkraz
I too love the diversity. One of my top priorities in life has always been to diversify my knowledge as much as possible. While I can't say I read 100% of the clips/comments that go by on the site, I can say that I try to read as many as possible and it's amazing how much I learn every single day. Unfortunetly, I've never been quick to put words to my thoughts, so I don't normally have time to respond to what I read.... Uh oh, I think I hear egoldstein cracking the whip, better get back to working on those sorting options!
4-13-2006 1:10 AM
egoldstein
LOL...you're actually capable of reading my mind...how cool is that!!
4-13-2006 1:50 AM
Kore7
However, just recently i began to feel very strongly that this diversity of information is a very positive thing that makes clipmarks special. Because of it I have learned so much about many things that i otherwise would not have made time to find out about.
I'll say! Also, Clipmarks has fed my already bad ADD-like nature and increased it ten-fold. It's a non-stop information circus over here! (That's a good thing.)
The fact that you and Adam are here daily (and are friendly to boot!) is just another feather in the clipmarks cap.
Ooh...cool...is there just one Clipmarks cap? Who gets to wear it?
4-13-2006 1:58 AM
egoldstein
we've clipped it into 4 beanies so that me, adamc, djkraz and ericw all wear one.

who needs a whole cap when you can have 4 beanies
4-13-2006 2:48 AM
skwirlinator
Keeping ClipMarks as a friendly community will not be that difficult because there isn't much animosity here. I think that everyone understands that what they 'Choose' to share with everyone is not directed 'at' anyone. It's more of a "check this out" kind of thing.
I am using ClipMarks as a tool for getting the gravy out of my bookmarks. I have so many URLs and frankly I forget what made that site bookmarkable. So instead of loading the whole site I clip whats intrigued me and Folder it away as a catergory. I make most of my clips public because I like to share. I started my Yahoo groups to collect bookmarks and discuss them. Well I've collected but noone seems to discuss. I even tried st...
4-13-2006 2:53 AM
egoldstein
thanks skwirl. this comment you made might have been the primary orignial factor that motivated us to create clipmarks.
I have so many URLs and frankly I forget what made that site bookmarkable
i can't believe how many times i've looked at things in my bookmarks...had
no idea why they were there...went to the page and thought "why the
heck did i bookmark this?"

have to say that now it's because i really like the "check this out" part you referred to...but at first it was more of a "bookmarks suck" thing.
4-13-2006 8:42 AM
BigBadWolf
As above, I too have a plethora of bookmarks I can't for the life of me remember the purpose for marking it.

As I get more time and better learn to use clipmarks to it's fullest, I am sure i will appreciate it even more. Now before I forget I need to put a clipmarks banner on my websites. Perhaps, like someone else mentioned, I'll do a little signature thingy too.

By the way, maybe we down the road a clipmarks party would be in order? It's a selfish notion because I live in NY. *wink*
4-13-2006 8:54 AM
egoldstein
now we're talking Wolf!! adamc and i have been talking about having an annual clipmarks disco night here in nyc.

regarding your statement about putting a banner on your site...if you want to add a clipmarks presence to your web site you can click the "create a cliproll" button of the middle column for any set of results and you'll be able to customize a live feed of clipmark titles for your site.
4-13-2006 9:17 AM
BigBadWolf
I am afraid that meeting you, Adam and the rest of the clipmarks crew might be an intimidating scenario but I would be totally down for that!

I added a banner image but your idea to replace the news section of my my site (still a work in progress) is an excellent idea! Now to see if it can be implimented. I have limitations with what sort of code the CMS will display.
4-13-2006 9:53 AM
BigBadWolf
In reference to the ClipRoll...

It would be nice to have an option to add some cute lil bullets to each news line keeping them in the "Web 2.1675984" (or whatever version we are on) spirit.
4-13-2006 9:55 AM
funana
Full ack to skwirlinator (I'm one of your followers, gee - I like your Clips

Just remember the "babylon effect" issue, Eric. We talked about that already and I think this is an important question: How to prevent CM from beeing babylonized?

Ahh. Feels good to be at CM again Strange, but I missed you guys during my vacation.. and Internet is so f*in boring without CM...
4-14-2006 12:14 AM
Kore7
Welcome back Funana!

Things were a little rough there at one point, weren't they? I love to debate politics and religion, but the name-calling turned me off from participating much. No need for that. I don't read everything, but it seems like that type of invective has been kept to a minimum lately. Let's hope things continue in that direction.

Love the fact that Clipmarks has gotten popular enough to publicly reflect upon its own identity and future. Sign of a healthy community. Very meta, too.
4-14-2006 12:17 AM
BigBadWolf
Very meta, too.
Ummm, is this geek talk?
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