 AtlLiberal says: For CM regulars who have accused me on beating up on Christians I offer this clip about Hindu militants and their strife with Christians in India. Ain't religion fun... Yes it is. My porposal is still out you know join my new evangilcal church and we can heard the masses to world domination. With you upright stance you could get a following of 2 million in less than a year. The Hindus & Christians in Orissa are upto this kind of stuff all the time  A case that was in the news recently is about Graham Staines. More details here Sectarian divide, tribal conflict, us versus them. Before meaningful change comes to pass we all need to come to grips with our shared humanity. There is no way around it - dogma kills. Ethnocentrism kills. It seems tolerance is dead. OK, so it's Monday... I have stated that violence in (the Abrahamic) religion is unavoidable but perhaps I need to broaden my perspective. AtlLib nailed it... "dogma kills". Well, this is progress. At least we can see that it isn't just the monotheistic religions who can manufacture fanatics. Perhaps the truth is that it isn't about religion at all; it's about ethnic identity. When religion becomes ethnic or cultural identity (from Milosevich to Pat Robertson to the Taliban) rather than pursuit of transcendence, it often becomes the justification for extremism, bigotry and violence. Perhaps the truth is that it isn't about religion at all; it's about ethnic identity.You make an interesting point here. There is no denying that all manner of tribalism has the potential to create strife. Yet the subtle difference it seems is that unlike ethnicity, religioius affiliation is something a person can make a conscience decision to alter or to abandone. One's lineage is unalterable. One's thoughts about a deity can be changed. I understand people might think they are born into a religion but I don't see much to back that up. There are enough examples of people abandoning this meme that at first seems so entrenched into their lives. I do agree with your link of e... Above typos: religioius should be religious abandone should be abandon I'm getting lazy in my old age  I have thought of this ethnic idealism for a while and have had a few discussions on it. I am certianly no expert but I agree with you that they will use religion to justify their actions. Yet it is the same with other things such as patriotism, morality, nationalism, and many more. religious affiliation is something a person can make a conscience decision to alter or to abandonIt is easier said than done, you can't abandon nothing when the gun is pointing at you. BTW, pop for Masbury's comments. Totally agree. It is easier said than done, you can't abandon nothing when the gun is pointing at you.That's not the point. You cannot change your heritage. You can change your religion. The difficulty depends on many factors. I had no problem what so ever in chucking the whole religious deal. I would think I'm not the only one. Well, the religion is so intertwined with heritage that when they come to get you (godforbid) then you won't have an explanation for your abandoning the religion. This is why some of us think that religion is not a problem to begin with and abandoning it is not a solution either. The solution is to find and teach better perspectives from within it's own framework and not from outside. But you and I can agree to disagree on it. But you and I can agree to disagree on it.Fair enough! I suppose that relates directly to the whole tolerence thing I mentioned above? It's refreshing to run into it sometimes. Perhaps the truth is that it isn't about religion at all; it's about ethnic identity. When religion becomes ethnic or cultural identity ... it often becomes the justification for extremism, bigotry and violence.I like the ethnic identity agrument, but I have my reservations. "Perhaps the truth is that it isn't about religion at all; it's about ethnic identity."If you remove the religion, ethnic groups will still clan and fight against other ethnic groups. Agreed. But is religious violence really ethnic driven? As AtlLiberal says, you can change your religion but you cannot change your heritage. People within the same heritage can coexist peacefully... But you and I can agree to disagree on it. Fair enough! I suppose that relates directly to the whole tolerence thing I mentioned above? It's refreshing to run into it sometimes.two of the most impressive comments I've seen (IMHO). Nice job arifsali and AtlLiberal. POP for the clip and the discussion in all comments. Thanks all, it reminded me once more why I love Clipmarks community. |
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