Typical liberal to only state partial facts and I use the word facts loosely when dealing with liberals because the only thing they consider factual is their own viewpoint so here is the rest of the story.

The Green River oil shale formation could produce
at least 800 billion barrels of oil alone, enough for over 100 years at
our current rate of consumption (20 million barrels per day). Would
inflating our tires eliminate every single drop of oil we use? Of
course not! Nor would it save any significant amount at all. Tire
inflation could improve gas mileage by about 3%, which would relate to about 600,000 barrels of oil a day at the most absurdly optimistic extrapolation.(More l...

Typical liberal to only state partial facts and I use the word facts loosely when dealing with liberals because the only thing they consider factual is their own viewpoint so here is the rest of the story.

The Green River oil shale formation could produce
at least 800 billion barrels of oil alone, enough for over 100 years at
our current rate of consumption (20 million barrels per day). Would
inflating our tires eliminate every single drop of oil we use? Of
course not! Nor would it save any significant amount at all. Tire
inflation could improve gas mileage by about 3%, which would relate to about 600,000 barrels of oil a day at the most absurdly optimistic extrapolation.(More like 666,666,666) Let's be generous and assume that one-half of the total possible
savings would be realized if we all inflated our tires properly; that's
a net gain of 1.5% fuel efficiency.

Americans drive approximately 2,880 billion miles per year.
If we average 24 mpg, we use around 120 billion gallons of gasoline in
our vehicles. If, through perfect tire inflation, we improved our
collective fuel efficiency by 1.5%, that would be 1.8 billion gallons.
A barrel of oil produces around 20 gallons of gasoline, so the total savings available through tire inflation is approximately 90,000,000 barrels of oil annually. That is 90 million folks not BILLION

How does this stack up against "all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling?"

ANWR: 10 billion barrels

Outer Continental Shelf: 18 billion barrels (estimated; the actual
total is undoubtedly much higher, since exploration has been banned)

Oil shale: 1 trillion barrels


So, on the above assumptions, it would take only 11,308 years of
proper tire inflation to equal "all the oil that they're talking about
getting off drilling."Which is what Obama said so he is WRONG!

Bobby bobby bobby where should I start with you?

Talk about playing loosely with facts why don't you link your resources
so we can check out their validity or are conservatives scared of facts.

One would think that before one would speak as an authority on a subject that they would at least take the time to fact check their information. This information is easily attainable so I shall not spoon feed you the answer do your own research.

I see no reason to strip mine western Colorado and Wyoming when we
could easily free ourselves with wind energy and solar energy (and many
other sources that don't depend on mining and mineral extraction
industries who haven't been g...

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Bobby bobby bobby where should I start with you?

Talk about playing loosely with facts why don't you link your resources
so we can check out their validity or are conservatives scared of facts.

One would think that before one would speak as an authority on a subject that they would at least take the time to fact check their information. This information is easily attainable so I shall not spoon feed you the answer do your own research.

I see no reason to strip mine western Colorado and Wyoming when we
could easily free ourselves with wind energy and solar energy (and many
other sources that don't depend on mining and mineral extraction
industries who haven't been good stewards of the environment).

This argument is almost laughable but okay I'll play along. The first wind turbine showed up in what year Bobby? Care to take a guess? Well it was not last year or even ten years ago. I would have thought that by now someone would have figured out that those fantastic wind turbines would have helped us out in our oil consumption by now but guess what it has not. Neither did all them solar panels help one bit replacing the oil needed just for our transportation needs. How much longer should we give the technology until it actually reduces our dependence on oil? ANOTHER 30 yrs perhaps? I can not see how that will REDUCE one gallon of OIL this week, this year, this decade even. I can see it now a truck running on a pinwheel not likely.

If you are speaking about Nuclear I say AMEN and go for it. IT has got to be the cleanest energy producer available and oh yeah I forgot the dems will not let us build any nuclear power plants even though the navy has been running nuclear subs for years without one mishap. Okay let us look at your last argument. (TO BE CONTINUED)

And technically I don't believe oil shale is drilling. The technology for efficient shale oil extraction is lacking currently.

Oil shale is not technically drilling then why not go for it? Oh the technology is not there for efficient shale oil extraction. I see but the technology is there for what substitute energy source to power a 747 or a tractor trailer? Wind turbines? Solar panels? Water? Electric? Have they made a battery big enough yet to power a large truck? Or just a lawn mower? OH and where is the electricity going to come from to charge all those batteries? And what do you do with all those batteries when they need to be DISCARDED? How long will it take to build a...

And technically I don't believe oil shale is drilling. The technology for efficient shale oil extraction is lacking currently.

Oil shale is not technically drilling then why not go for it? Oh the technology is not there for efficient shale oil extraction. I see but the technology is there for what substitute energy source to power a 747 or a tractor trailer? Wind turbines? Solar panels? Water? Electric? Have they made a battery big enough yet to power a large truck? Or just a lawn mower? OH and where is the electricity going to come from to charge all those batteries? And what do you do with all those batteries when they need to be DISCARDED? How long will it take to build a BIG ENOUGH BATTERY? And how much OIL are we going to save this week, this month. this year, this decade? And who is going to help those people who can not afford the price tag of a 24,000 new car and have to purchase used cars that run on WAIT FOR IT.... Wait for it... GASOLINE>> how long do you think it will take for the average person to be able to afford this NEW TECHNOLOGY? DO you suppose this is the reason that it has not been developed yet?

Wish you would have stopped there but you did not...

Wind turbines, solar, and even Boone Pickens natural gas are all readily available TODAY.

Yes but I already addressed the wind turbines and solar they are not and can not reduce on gallon of gasoline in any vehicle currently on the market with the exception of the electric car but I also addressed that. WHICH LEAVES ARE YOU READY FOR THIS>.. NATURAL GAS which the dems will not let us drill for. So we are right back to square one. Which of these technologies is going to run a tractor trailer, a locomotive, or a 747? Not to mention all the automobiles on the highways.

How long do you suppose it will take to get enough alternate fuel vehicles on the highway to actually make a SIGNIFICANT Difference? Less than 10 yrs? 5 yrs? Well I know we have OIL so lets get it in

Ethanol is a net energy loss -- it takes 70 percent more energy to produce than is obtained from the product itself. Other biomass resources show, at best, very low net energy recovery. In their comprehensive study, "Feasibility of Large-Scale Biofuel Production," Mario Giampietro, Sergio Ulgiati, and David Pimentel write: "Large-scale biofuel production is not an alternative to the current use of oil and is not even an advisable option to cover a significant fraction of it."

The two most popularly suggested energy alternatives, wind and solar, suffer because they're undependable, intermittent sources of energy, and the end product is electricity. We have no way to store large amounts of...

Ethanol is a net energy loss -- it takes 70 percent more energy to produce than is obtained from the product itself. Other biomass resources show, at best, very low net energy recovery. In their comprehensive study, "Feasibility of Large-Scale Biofuel Production," Mario Giampietro, Sergio Ulgiati, and David Pimentel write: "Large-scale biofuel production is not an alternative to the current use of oil and is not even an advisable option to cover a significant fraction of it."

The two most popularly suggested energy alternatives, wind and solar, suffer because they're undependable, intermittent sources of energy, and the end product is electricity. We have no way to store large amounts of electricity for use when wind and sunshine are not with us. Geothermal and tidal energy are insignificant energy sources in total but can be locally important. Nuclear energy can be a large power source if the safety aspects can be guaranteed (and this may be possible) -- but again, the end product is electricity. There is no battery pack even remotely in sight that would supply the energy needed to effectively power bulldozers, heavy agricultural equipment such as tractors and combines, or 18-wheelers hauling freight cross-country.

Can electricity be used to obtain hydrogen as a fuel from water? It can, but hydrogen is difficult to store and dangerous to handle. And there is no energy system now visualized to replace kerosene jet fuel, which propels a Boeing 747 about 600 miles an hour nonstop on the 14-hour trip from New York to Capetown (currently the longest plane flight). We continue to seek the holy grail of energy -- fusion -- but containing the heat of the sun at 10 million degrees Centigrade is still only a far-off hope.

Walter Youngquist

Dr. Youngquist has studied and observed petroleum and alternative energy sources in 70 countries. He received his Ph.D. in geology from the University of Iowa.

[url=http://www.hubbertpeak.com/Youngquist/altenergy.htm]http:

So many words for so little to say.

Okay, wind and solar do not currently comprise a large part of our total energy source because it wasn't until that last year that oil became expensive (more expensive than the price of 1980's oil adjusted for inflation). Now they are competitive specially if you take out the subsidies for the oil companies.

Wind is very dependable in the wind corridor. I live in the wind corridor and by god it is a rare occassion to be without wind. Studies have also shown that an area smaller than the country of Algeria could supply the energy requirements of the world so supplying America's energy requirement is more than feasible.

Hey even Boone Pickens plan makes s...

So many words for so little to say.

Okay, wind and solar do not currently comprise a large part of our total energy source because it wasn't until that last year that oil became expensive (more expensive than the price of 1980's oil adjusted for inflation). Now they are competitive specially if you take out the subsidies for the oil companies.

Wind is very dependable in the wind corridor. I live in the wind corridor and by god it is a rare occassion to be without wind. Studies have also shown that an area smaller than the country of Algeria could supply the energy requirements of the world so supplying America's energy requirement is more than feasible.

Hey even Boone Pickens plan makes sense. Use the wind energy and solar energy to compensate for natural gas electricity plants and divert our current production and usage to liquefied natural gas for automobiles.

Furthermore we have battery technology. Dang, GM produced an electric car in the 1990's the EV1 that was able to accelerate and maintain speeds just like a gasoline powered car. They scraped it. They never got to a production level that would have provided the volume price productions that come from experience in producing a product.

The Democrats won't let us drill for natural gas? That's a joke. We just sold the mineral rights on my grandfathers old 160 acres last year and receive a royalty check every month. We just signed away the mineral rights under our house in town. They are drilling all over the place where I live. Every section of land has a oil and natural gas pad on it. That's such a lame claim.

Nuclear energy. "If storage can be made safe". That's a big question. I am constantly surprised that conservatives who see a terrorist hiding behind every tree are pushing nuclear energy. Bush's plan had unescorted semis driving straight through the capital of my state on their way to a storage area in a unstable geological area. It's going to take a lot better plan than that.

You still mention nothing about the lack of technology for the oil shale production. The technology for wind and solar is there it has only lacked capital investment. Big difference.

I made a mistake above when I forgot to include that the size of Algeria was all that was required for solar production to supply the world's energy needs.

Map showing how much space needed to power the world with solar.

And even though you could find this information I provide you the link, whether I am spoon feeding you or not, as a convenience to save time. Plus I'm not afraid of having my sourc...

You still mention nothing about the lack of technology for the oil shale production. The technology for wind and solar is there it has only lacked capital investment. Big difference.

I made a mistake above when I forgot to include that the size of Algeria was all that was required for solar production to supply the world's energy needs.

Map showing how much space needed to power the world with solar.

And even though you could find this information I provide you the link, whether I am spoon feeding you or not, as a convenience to save time. Plus I'm not afraid of having my sources scrutinized. Personally, I'm betting you forgot where you found your "facts" which seem to be loose and free (about 20% over all the other shale oil predictions that I saw).

Another note. I never mentioned anything about biomass.

But since you mention it there seems to be a good deal of difference between corn ethanol and other types of ethanol specifically cellulosic ethanol. The energy production from cellulosic ethanol is 4 times greater than the energy input according to Lee Lynd of the Thayer School of Engineering at Dartmouth and Lester Lave of the Graduate School of Industrial Administration at Carnegie Mellon University.

Linked for your convenience.

Wind is very dependable in the wind corridor. I live in the wind corridor and by god it is a rare occassion to be without wind.

And yes probably on capital hill there is enough hot air to keep them wind turbines running as well. But unfortunately none of those wind turbines will add one gallon of fuel into pipeline for powering engines. So WIND power can not replace oil. Would you like to try again? If wind power was such a viable option with a reasonable return on investment then the government would not have to take money out of my pocket to fund this project. Currently wind power only amounts to approximately 1% of total electric generation. No wonder there is not much r...

Wind is very dependable in the wind corridor. I live in the wind corridor and by god it is a rare occassion to be without wind.

And yes probably on capital hill there is enough hot air to keep them wind turbines running as well. But unfortunately none of those wind turbines will add one gallon of fuel into pipeline for powering engines. So WIND power can not replace oil. Would you like to try again? If wind power was such a viable option with a reasonable return on investment then the government would not have to take money out of my pocket to fund this project. Currently wind power only amounts to approximately 1% of total electric generation. No wonder there is not much rush to install said wind farms they do not produce much return on investment.

Furthermore we have battery technology. Dang, GM produced an electric
car in the 1990's the EV1 that was able to accelerate and maintain
speeds just like a gasoline powered car. They scraped it.

Why do you suppose they scraped it? Perhaps they could not find a long enough extension cord to allow the vehicle to leave town?

They are drilling all over the place where I live. Every section of
land has a oil and natural gas pad on it. That's such a lame claim.

Okay let us drill everywhere there is natural gas and oil then as well. I am all in favor of that I have no problem with we the people utilizing our own natural resources for our own use.

Nuclear energy. "If storage can be made safe". That's a big question. I
am constantly surprised that conservatives who see a terrorist hiding
behind every tree are pushing nuclear energy.

Why would a conservative want to utilize nuclear energy hmm perhaps because it works and works well? It is by far the cleanest fuel and the best for producing large megawatts of electricity, far more efficiently then wind mills. And private capitalization would invest in nuclear because it shows a good return on investment unlike wind

The only reason democrats would be pushing for these unproven alternate fuel sources is because they can control the industry through government subsidy and oversight. Heck I would even bet like Al Gore the Mr OBama and many other's in favor of such technology have personal interest in seeing money thrown into their development. I am sure if I do some digging I can find out to whom the money flows.All these so called fuel alternatives are not going to effectively wean ourselves off of oil any time soon.

It is a pipe dream at best because OIL is a very VERY VERY large part of our economy and infrastructure. If you remove all fossil fuel from the equation we will be like the Amish doing every...

The only reason democrats would be pushing for these unproven alternate fuel sources is because they can control the industry through government subsidy and oversight. Heck I would even bet like Al Gore the Mr OBama and many other's in favor of such technology have personal interest in seeing money thrown into their development. I am sure if I do some digging I can find out to whom the money flows.All these so called fuel alternatives are not going to effectively wean ourselves off of oil any time soon.

It is a pipe dream at best because OIL is a very VERY VERY large part of our economy and infrastructure. If you remove all fossil fuel from the equation we will be like the Amish doing everything by horse and buggy which in all reality is the only sure fire OIL Free way to live. GO AMISH!!

I am not opposed to utilizing all the best technology has to offer in attempts to reduce our need for fossil fuel but being a thinking and educated man I can not see the total elimination of this fuel of our economy. Oil is not bad and oil companies are not bad, they provide a much needed product to many sectors of our economy.

Besides why not tell INDIA and CHINA to cut back on their usage? They are rapidly expanding their consumption of oil and thus shortening the supply at an even faster rate.

None of your alternate options will provide us with enough energy to keep up with demand and replace our dependence on fossil fuels anytime soon so why not allow for additional supply by drilling while looking into these other options?

and the best bobby quote is:

Okay, wind and solar do not currently comprise a large part of our
total energy source because it wasn't until that last year that oil
became expensive (more expensive than the price of 1980's oil adjusted
for inflation). Now they are competitive specially if you take out the
subsidies for the oil companies.

Not until last year OIL became expensive enough for people to actually look into investing in alternate fuel sources. AND why is oil so expensive? To whom shall we point the finger for this? No wait I know BIG OIL and their windfall profits.

What if BIG OIL got fed up with all the finger pointing and told America to kiss off and toke their...

and the best bobby quote is:

Okay, wind and solar do not currently comprise a large part of our
total energy source because it wasn't until that last year that oil
became expensive (more expensive than the price of 1980's oil adjusted
for inflation). Now they are competitive specially if you take out the
subsidies for the oil companies.

Not until last year OIL became expensive enough for people to actually look into investing in alternate fuel sources. AND why is oil so expensive? To whom shall we point the finger for this? No wait I know BIG OIL and their windfall profits.

What if BIG OIL got fed up with all the finger pointing and told America to kiss off and toke their business elsewhere like China and India? How long do you think America could function with these BIG OIL BANDITS to kick around? Anyone care to make SPECULATION on that option?

After all the Democrats say there is no oil here anyway so they might as well move to where the oil is. Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Mexico and Canada.

First, GM scraped the electric car because it did not support their profit model of making additional revenue through replacement parts. The electric car was extremely dependable and didn't break down. It wasn't because of you ridiculous claim that an extension cord wasn't long enough. Private citizens have developed car ports with solar panels that they can recarche their electric cars with. Try again.

No one has suggested that all solar panels should be in the desert or in one loction. Senator Reid (Democrat) and Senator Kyl (Republican from Arizona) debated this topic on this on whatever ABC's political program on ABC is 2-3 years ago. I watched it. Senator Kyl caved and admitted that we...

First, GM scraped the electric car because it did not support their profit model of making additional revenue through replacement parts. The electric car was extremely dependable and didn't break down. It wasn't because of you ridiculous claim that an extension cord wasn't long enough. Private citizens have developed car ports with solar panels that they can recarche their electric cars with. Try again.

No one has suggested that all solar panels should be in the desert or in one loction. Senator Reid (Democrat) and Senator Kyl (Republican from Arizona) debated this topic on this on whatever ABC's political program on ABC is 2-3 years ago. I watched it. Senator Kyl caved and admitted that we could produce America's energy capacity with solar energy and resorted to your lame argument that he didn't want all those solar panels in the state of Arizona which Senator Reid easily pointed out that they would be dispersed in many locations throughout the U.S.

Nuclear energy works but you still haven't said what you are going to do with the waste product. I stated earlier and you have not addressed the fact that republicans want to ship the waste across the U.S. in semi-tractor trailers unescorted through large metropolitan areas making them totally vulnerable to any terrorist. This is not a plan that works.

T. Boone Pickens, won of the U.S.'s wealthiest men who made his wealth from oil has publicly stated that the investment in the wind corridor that would easily produce 20% of our energy needs could be funded through private investment. Private investment means no government subsidies. He is already banking billions of dollars on building his o...

Nuclear energy works but you still haven't said what you are going to do with the waste product. I stated earlier and you have not addressed the fact that republicans want to ship the waste across the U.S. in semi-tractor trailers unescorted through large metropolitan areas making them totally vulnerable to any terrorist. This is not a plan that works.

T. Boone Pickens, won of the U.S.'s wealthiest men who made his wealth from oil has publicly stated that the investment in the wind corridor that would easily produce 20% of our energy needs could be funded through private investment. Private investment means no government subsidies. He is already banking billions of dollars on building his own wind farm. T. Boone Pickens is a republican.

You never read anything I said about the wind power freeing up the Natural Gas Electrical plants so that liquified natural gas could be sold at gas stations across the country. There are currently 14 million vehicles in this world operating on liquified natural gas and America has only 100,000. Converting a standard car to run on liquified natural gas is very easy to do. Please read comments if you are going to comment on them.

The oil companies consolidated in the 1990's (yes under Clinton who did not prevent it using anti-monopoly rules) and closed down half of all oil cracking refineries to tie production to the exact level of demand so they can claim that the problem is a supply and demand issue. They willing reduced supply, so yes they are responsible for a great deal of the problem. Just two years ago Congress gave the oil companies 8.5 million additional acres of rights to drill in the Gulf of Mexico and they have not even begun to drill their and won't for at least a minimum of two years. They are not hurting for additional land to drill on. They are just trying to take advantage of high prices produced lar...

The oil companies consolidated in the 1990's (yes under Clinton who did not prevent it using anti-monopoly rules) and closed down half of all oil cracking refineries to tie production to the exact level of demand so they can claim that the problem is a supply and demand issue. They willing reduced supply, so yes they are responsible for a great deal of the problem. Just two years ago Congress gave the oil companies 8.5 million additional acres of rights to drill in the Gulf of Mexico and they have not even begun to drill their and won't for at least a minimum of two years. They are not hurting for additional land to drill on. They are just trying to take advantage of high prices produced largely by speculative forces.

Oil companies are bad. We have overthrown Democratically elected governments in the Middle East specifically for the benefit of oil companies and it has come back to haunt us many times over.

It is time to free ourselves from oil dependency on the Middle East. Drilling off the Atlantic Coast is not going to do that for us. I won't have my kids go off to Iraq, Iran, or Saudi Arabia under a pack of lies to fight for oil rights.