The establishment is missing the main point concerning freedom, the bill of rights and freedom of religion. If there is a pretense that inalienable rights can be granted as a 'gift' by a ruling authority, those who create a picture of benevolence, have forgotten how explosive this kind of tacit oppression Really pisses people off to the point that those who claim to be granting or withholding rights only deserve contempt. There can be attempts to impose beliefs, but when there are, sometimes a sloth is found, sometimes a cobra.I consider myself to be a Christian who can see the attitude and behavior of so many of those who claim or pretend to represent Christianity is nothing short of evil....

The establishment is missing the main point concerning freedom, the bill of rights and freedom of religion. If there is a pretense that inalienable rights can be granted as a 'gift' by a ruling authority, those who create a picture of benevolence, have forgotten how explosive this kind of tacit oppression Really pisses people off to the point that those who claim to be granting or withholding rights only deserve contempt. There can be attempts to impose beliefs, but when there are, sometimes a sloth is found, sometimes a cobra.I consider myself to be a Christian who can see the attitude and behavior of so many of those who claim or pretend to represent Christianity is nothing short of evil. They couldn't pick Jesus Christ out in a line up, and I'm sure if he turned up today without saying who he was he would be sent straight to Guantanamo bay. I find being told I have no right to my faith or opinion is the same as saying I must be wrong. I may in fact be wrong , no one has the right or the ability to make me deny something I need to find on my own.
Any opinion, faith religion is something any person has a right to maintain.It's impossible to make someone believe in god, or even expect them to.It is a choice we are entitled to have. There is a line that should not be crossed with regard to choice that many in charge have forgotten, People have the right to an opinion, but if the actions that result from it involve screwing someone with an alternate opinion and it becomes policy, it becomes a direct threat to any prospect of a cohesive society Religious oppression, including that of those who choose to believe there is no god, or can only consider god as a possibility, creates both heroes, and Martyrs, that will cause those who oppress any one who wants to have an opinion other than the state line, to be examined in detail as is being shown today. The official line is full of holes. Thieves rarely confess quickly, and they always have an alibi before the crime.

Why do we not just read and use the words of the 1st amendment and not the intentions of anyone when discussing these things? pretty clear, the federal legislature shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or restricting the free excersize of religion, that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to assemble peaceably, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Nobody on my side wants to make you beleive in any religion! We are concerned with your wanting to prevent us from expressing ours and supporting laws that prevent us from doing so.

When they say that we are a C...

Why do we not just read and use the words of the 1st amendment and not the intentions of anyone when discussing these things? pretty clear, the federal legislature shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or restricting the free excersize of religion, that infringe the freedom of speech, infringe the freedom of the press, limit the right to assemble peaceably, or limit the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Nobody on my side wants to make you beleive in any religion! We are concerned with your wanting to prevent us from expressing ours and supporting laws that prevent us from doing so.

When they say that we are a Christian nation, I believe that most are referring to the fact that the majority, somewhere around 80% of US population believe in God and of them 90% are members or associate themselves with a Christian denomination.

By the way, I believe in God but am not a member of any curch.

Nobody on my side wants to make you beleive in any religion!

We'll just ignore the Christian proselytizing.

We are concerned with your wanting to prevent us from expressing ours and supporting laws that prevent us from doing so.

And how exactly have you been prevented from expressing your beliefs? And what laws are you referring to that prevent you from expressing said thought? The answer is no one prevents anyone from expressing religious thought. Any restrictions are applied exclusively to the government, not to private individuals.

This is the lie that Christian Fundamentalists employ to propagate the misconception that they are persecuted. The fact i...

Nobody on my side wants to make you beleive in any religion!

We'll just ignore the Christian proselytizing.

We are concerned with your wanting to prevent us from expressing ours and supporting laws that prevent us from doing so.

And how exactly have you been prevented from expressing your beliefs? And what laws are you referring to that prevent you from expressing said thought? The answer is no one prevents anyone from expressing religious thought. Any restrictions are applied exclusively to the government, not to private individuals.

This is the lie that Christian Fundamentalists employ to propagate the misconception that they are persecuted. The fact is that it's totally without fondation and rather ridiculous.

When they say that we are a Christian nation, I believe that most are referring to the fact that the majority, somewhere around 80% of US population believe in God and of them 90% are members or associate themselves with a Christian denomination.

When Christian Fundamentalist say this is a Christian nation what they desire is that Christianity be granted special privileges simply because the majority of the population is Christian. Plus they desire the government to back up these privileges. That is unconstitutional.

By the way, I believe in God but am not a member of any curch.

Well, good for you.

LOL, "persecuted" I certainly do not feel like I am being "persecuted", I live in America, what more could I ask for?

And how exactly have you been prevented from expressing your beliefs?

I'm referring to beliefs like the following quote form http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html

Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of

religion into the affairs of government

Religious groups and people have every bit as much of a 1st amendment right to lobby their Government as a secular does!

In San Diego they are trying to remove a ...

LOL, "persecuted" I certainly do not feel like I am being "persecuted", I live in America, what more could I ask for?

And how exactly have you been prevented from expressing your beliefs?

I'm referring to beliefs like the following quote form http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/myth.html

Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of

religion into the affairs of government

Religious groups and people have every bit as much of a 1st amendment right to lobby their Government as a secular does!

In San Diego they are trying to remove a cross from a war memorial, tell me how a local memorial with a cross constitutes the federal legislature amking a law respecting an establishment of religion.

Tell me how that in any way really bothers them? does it burn their eyes to see the cross? Does that make them run into a curch and join up? You do not even have to be burried there! If you do not likee looking at it and it affends you, do not look at it!

Why don't they just lobby to put up their own memorial that does not have a cross? or maybe lobby to put up a symbol of their own?

Religious groups and people have every bit as much of a 1st amendment right to lobby their Government as a secular does!

Of course they do and aren't prevented from doing so. They are laws that govern their tax exemption. If they wish to engage in politics as representatives of a tax exempt religious organization they are free to do so but they lose theri tax exemption if they do so. Their choice.

In San Diego they are trying to remove a cross from a war memorial, tell me how a local memorial with a cross constitutes the federal legislature amking a law respecting an establishment of religion.

A cross is a Christian symblol. The display of this sectarian sym...

Religious groups and people have every bit as much of a 1st amendment right to lobby their Government as a secular does!

Of course they do and aren't prevented from doing so. They are laws that govern their tax exemption. If they wish to engage in politics as representatives of a tax exempt religious organization they are free to do so but they lose theri tax exemption if they do so. Their choice.

In San Diego they are trying to remove a cross from a war memorial, tell me how a local memorial with a cross constitutes the federal legislature amking a law respecting an establishment of religion.

A cross is a Christian symblol. The display of this sectarian symbol implies governmental endorsement of Christianity. Pretty simple. Anyone can erect whatever they wish on their own property. There is no restriction whatsoever. Christians aren't satisfied with that. They want the government to endorse Christianity; to back it as a national religion. Ain't gonna happen.

Why is it important to display religious symbols on public lands anyway? We have a secular government, not a theocracy. Whether the people who make up the government are religous or not is not the question. Christians (or any other religion) are not entitled to special treatment.