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5-22-2007 4:47 AM
cementedminds
This is not music to my ears.
5-22-2007 10:42 AM
ouyangwulong
Hold on before anyone gets too excited. In my experience, these numbers are almost always misleading. They never present the whole picture, and every religion would like to think that it's "the fastest growing."

Look at the numbers, and the demographics, and you'll see a number of problems.

First, they don't specify where the new members come from. Compare them to population growth rates. Much of the Arab and Indian world has a disproportionate youth population (10 years ago, half of the population of Morocco was under the age of 18, for instance.) which means that they will be creating more families, and thus more "new" adherents. Also, Hindu and Muslim populations traditionally don't sup...
5-22-2007 10:53 AM
ouyangwulong
...that is not to say that I believe Christianity is really growing by that much either. A lot of Christians claim that Christianity is growing, and emphasize new conversions. However, they don't explain that most of the conversions are inter-denominational. Sure there are millions of conversions in South America every year to Evangelical Christianity, but they are mostly converting Catholics, or other Protestants. So the global population of Christians is not growing as fast as they suggest it is... there is just a shift occurring within Christianity. From the outside perspective, a person who already believed in God and believed that Jesus was his son who died on the cross for our sins bef...
5-22-2007 10:59 AM
ouyangwulong
But also, as a research who strives to be objective, this creates many dilemmas. What makes a person a new member of a faith? Is someone who is born into the church and follows the motions of ritual out of habit and not faith truly a believer? But then again, is self-identification enough to count a person among the faithful?

As an anthropologist, I can't dismiss a person's self-identification, because in the end we have little else to go by, but then what are the limits? I have met many "Sikhs" in America. Some are part of the diaspora, and follow very seriously the traditional Sikh teachings. On the other hand, some are Western converts. These people are philosophically interested in the ...
5-22-2007 11:57 AM
arifsali
Very well said, I'm in agreement. The "fastest growing" with the word "religion" is totally misleading in terms of converts, because people usually stick with the religion they are born into.
5-23-2007 10:20 AM
ouyangwulong
Actually, Sohil just posted a great clip on this issue that raises another fascinating question about conversion.

In the west we have linked the idea of belief and the idea of religion to the point where we presume all that it takes to become part of a religion is to say "I believe it to be true."

However, many Eastern Religions (most notably Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Shinto) faith or belief in facts is not valued so much as the translation of philosophical ideas into practice in our lives.

That is to say, many Eastern Religions seem wholy indifferent to "Belief" and instead focused on "Action." The religions are not asserti...
5-23-2007 2:20 PM
sohil
Austin, Nepal has now adopted to be a secular country now. It is no longer "a Hindu Kingdom".
5-23-2007 8:55 PM
ouyangwulong
Even after the revolution, (I was there for it) I don't think that will shake Hinduism's influence. Things may change in the capital, but in the Tarai and the "wild west" I'll bet it's business as usual.

But, if that means they'll let me (a non-Hindu) into Pashputinath now, then I'll fly out tomorrow! (I still have 25 days left on my Nepali Visa for the year...)
5-23-2007 11:03 PM
enbar
Great clip, and, sohil and Austin, I have been arguing the same thing for quite some time. The western tendency to privilege interiority, belief, and individual self-identification over custom, social and cultural affinities, and praxis is pretty much a post-Enlightenment or post-Reformation phenomenon, and it reflects a basically Protestant way of looking at the world. I often shock my students by telling them that "religion" -- as they imagine it to be, i.e. primarily creedal and dogmatic in nature -- doesn't really exist at all, except in the minds of more-or-less secularized, modern, Protestant individualists. That's the problem with modern-day proponents of atheism too: they think that ...
5-23-2007 11:04 PM
enbar
Oh ... and arifsali, I meant to ask, do you remember how you came across this article (the clip source)? If it was in a blog, I want to start reading it too!
5-23-2007 11:58 PM
arifsali
You got it enbar, and this is exactly why understanding the culture from religion is so crucial, and this is exactly why Huntington/Lewis are so wrong.

Sorry, I can't recall where I stumbled upon this article.
5-24-2007 12:15 AM
thefoxalmighty
5-24-2007 8:48 AM
sohil
Even after the revolution, (I was there for it) I don't think that will shake Hinduism's influence. Things may change in the capital, but in the Tarai and the "wild west" I'll bet it's business as usual.

But, if that means they'll let me (a non-Hindu) into Pashputinath now, then I'll fly out tomorrow! (I still have 25 days left on my Nepali Visa for the year...)
I guess old habits die hard. Not letting non-Hindu's into temples is one of the things that disgusts me the most about modern-day "Hindus". Some temples apparently don't even let in the "Dalits" and even Women (Sabarimalai). It's amazing the right wing groups that claim to "protect" the Hindu heritage only seem to support these practices.
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