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6-24-2008 4:42 PM170 views
sillysam says:
When Israel does attack, Iran will have no one to blame but themselves.
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6-24-2008 4:57 PM
righthand
Sillysam
6-24-2008 5:16 PM
sillysam
You aren't going to defend Iran are you? The world knows what those crackpots are up to. They come on TV and tell us once a week how they are going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Now, accourding to the head of the IAEA it should only take Iran about 6 months to produce a nuclear weapon. A year ago it was two to three years. By this time next year. They will have a bomb and that is unacceptable.
6-24-2008 5:24 PM
righthand
So do you know how many have the bomb? Israel?
6-24-2008 5:36 PM
jatfla
Israel has not threatened to wipe Western Civilization off the globe, or destroy Iran. They have recognized and believe the Iranian has full intent on attacking Israel and using it's surrogates (Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, Lebanon, etc.) to annihilate the Jewish State.

It's pointless to continue these discussions. If one is unable to see a difference between Israel and the US with nukes and Iran and N. Korea with nukes, then there is need to respond.
6-24-2008 8:16 PM
ratilfar
Of course nobody really talks about the capabilities of the two nations and how Israel out guns everybody in the region and that it has a standing preemptive strategy. I also doubt that Syria will serve as an Iranian proxy as they have lost all the wars they have fought against Israel.

Hezbollah is more concerned with Lebanese internal politics than Israel (it came to being as an anti-occupation force in Southern Lebanon). Iranian leadership maybe fiery but their not suicidal. And a 200:0 ratio in nuclear arms (and without an effective way to guarantee delivery of that weapon if they had it) Israel is in no danger from disappearing because of the inane threats by the Iranian leadership de...
6-24-2008 8:45 PM
jatfla
There's a tad of truth in what you say Rat, but there's so much more to all of it. Israel is not suicidal but mahmoud ahmadinejad seems to be on a mission of bringing in his messiah and dead-set on destroying Israel. Do sane people ignore what a mad-man is saying? Only at their peril.

To say that Israel "out guns" everyone in the area might have been true in the very recent past; but the climate has changed radically over the last year and even months. Those you mentioned have internal issues...correct; but they also have a common and on-going goal that Iran is feeding and financing.

And "disappearing"??...perhaps not. Biblically it will not. But, as a nation, they have been bombed a...
6-24-2008 9:49 PM
ratilfar
The IDF is second to none in the region, the Gulf States may have some advance air forces, but neither numbers or the will to attack Israel (and the Israeli lobby makes sure that the technology transfers are limited) same with Egypt who is a US ally, those F-16 would not fly for long if the U.S. pulled the supply plug. Jordan is in a similar situation Lebanon is fraqmentated and Syria is virtually alone equipped with Cold War castoffs. So the balance of power is very much in the IDF favor without throwing in 200 nuclear warheads into the mix. Israel has nothing to fear from its neighbors.

As for Iran, well we have one guy who is about to depart office saying one thing, yet negotiating beca...
6-24-2008 10:03 PM
jatfla
"The IDF is second to none in the region....". I hope you are right. To say that Israel "...has nothing to fear from its neighbors" is really naive...in my opinion.

I have a dog in this fight and it's Israel. They're not perfect. They have internal issues and conflicts; just like every country. But I DO believe that most of the world would not care one twit if it did, indeed, disappear. I do.
6-24-2008 10:16 PM
ratilfar
It is not naive, just look at the IDF order of battle, if anything its only weakness it is complacency. I don't have a dog in this fight because I don't want the fight in the first place. Thats the problem, the fight doesn't end, and in part that is to the benefit current Israeli leadership. Peace is the biggest threat to their power because if peace does break out then Israelis would have to look long and hard at their politics and that would be truly revolutionary.

The Iranians and Hamas are stupid enough to play to likudist/neocon cliches and narratives for their own narrow gains. The winners are the political leaders on all sides who use conflict (or the appearance of threats) to gain a...
6-24-2008 10:43 PM
jatfla
I do not want there to be a "fight" either; but I know it's inevitable. I completely disagree that "peace" is a threat to their power. There is enough within the Israeli community/politics to keep them occupied without the outside distractions. I don't think it's the IDF (necessarily) that's complacent but those who have authority over them.

Done here, Rat. You're not as superficial as I had thought. :~)
6-24-2008 10:57 PM
sillysam
Well, it seems the only one wanting a fight here is Hamas. No surprise there I guess. Here is the long and short of it. Iran, Palestine, Hezbollah all want to wipe out Israel. They say it, not the neo-cons, or Israel. It is their mouths uttering these horrible sentences of provocation. Why on earth shouldn't we believe them? Anyway. Agreed. This clip is commented out.
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