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9-11-2007 9:39 AM
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AtlLiberal says:
People sometimes argue that "their" religion is more up to date than the religion of the extremists. Herein lies the danger because both hold the same or similar ideas of bad behavior being caused by outside entities (Satan or demons of a lessor pay grade). Attempts are made by more liberal religionists for a more metaphorical interpretation of what is meant but the underlying cause of really bad actions is still partially removed from the area of responsibility of the perpetrator and placed as the result of being under the influence of some sort of demonic power. I have no problem with someone being described as being demonic but I take that to be not in a literal sense. A large block of faiths believe in possession by an outside influence. That is the danger.
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9-12-2007 7:03 AM
AcesLucky
To the extent that one's beliefs and ideas are not in agreement with reality, is the extent that one is delusional.

To the extent that people act on those delusions is the extent that they are deranged.

Religion, among other things, promotes delusion.
9-12-2007 10:02 AM
AtlLiberal
Exactly. I tend to ramble.

Your observation concerning delusion is interesting. I was wondering though where the wiggle room was for poetry? I guess what I mean is that some concepts are difficult to convey by ordinary language so a more subtle approach is required. When we talk about concepts such as love, companionship, desire, or any other such idea we often speak of them metaphorically because of the limitations of language.

I've often had the idea that religious fundamentalists lacked the ability to recognize metaphor.
9-12-2007 2:51 PM
AcesLucky
Your observation concerning delusion is interesting. I was wondering though where the wiggle room was for poetry?
Delusion isn't inherently wrong. Hallucinating wonderful things isn't wrong because it doesn't agree with reality. In fact, imagination is the tool through which we explore ideas and the maps we generate in our minds.

To a great extent, it's how we learn from the internal (as opposed to direct experience from the outer). It may well be why it appears we have a soul! It's an internal feedback mechanism that allows us to explore possibilities beyond the present experience.

It's where sympathy and mirroring and ego comes from. We can "imagine" how someone else must ...
9-12-2007 6:54 PM
AtlLiberal
And poetry engages multiple neurological connections from that map that
may not be possible in the external world. (Tasting an ideal, for
example.)
Yes! Thats nicely put also. And your last comment, "Tasting an ideal..." reminds me of the phenomena of synesthesia, i.e. the hearing of a sound produces the visualizaiton of a color. But I feel I getting a bit off track here.

Your comments about hypnosis is intriquing. I wonder though how many people are actually that suggestable? Perhaps if they fall into that catagory then they deserve to be duped.

I'd post more but I'm developing a bit of a headache and must rub something on my forehead.........
9-12-2007 11:38 PM
AcesLucky
"Tasting an ideal..." reminds me of the phenomena of synesthesia, i.e. the hearing of a sound produces the visualizaiton of a color. But I feel I getting a bit off track here.
It's perfectly on track.
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