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1-5-2008 9:47 AM
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debbyski says:
Inspired from another clip by dakotayii. Link below. First of all, I'd like to say there are many good Christian men who treat their wives kindly and as equals, and this clip does not speak to them, rather the abuser who uses his abuse and control of women in his mind by religious justification.
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1-5-2008 9:49 AM
debbyski
1-5-2008 10:08 AM
debbyski
I think it's what can happen when some men use religion as their justification for the domination and control of women. If only they knew that you cannot control love . . . it is only valuable when given freely. Of course the person who treats his wife in this manner only lusts after power as opposed to love.
1-5-2008 12:00 PM
debbyski
*LOL*
1-5-2008 2:11 PM
laceym
When we look at the Bible -- God's Word -- God seems to have a major problem with women.
God treats women quite differently than he treats men. For example, we find this in 1 Corinthians chapter 14:
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church
There are many places in the Bible where God talks about women. This quote from 1 Corinthians 11, for example, is odd:
But I want you to understand that the head of every man ...
1-5-2008 2:15 PM
laceym
This is my covenant, which you shall keep, between me and you and your descendants after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you.
God makes no mention of forming any sort of covenant with women.
In Matthew 25:1 Jesus says: "At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom."
In John 20:17 Jesus says to Mary: "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father," as though the touch of a woman is somehow improper, but a few verses later, is happy to have Thomas touch him.
In Genesis chapte...
1-5-2008 2:35 PM
ratilfar
Hate is hate. That these men ground their hate in their "faith" just make sit worse.
1-5-2008 3:28 PM
dakotayii
Pop to ratiffar.
IMO any religion strip down to basic is ("To be happy"- Dalia Lama.).We have no room for "Honor Killing" or any killing.........

Here is another article

http://www.buffalobeast.com/121/godhateswomen.htm
1-5-2008 4:43 PM
debbyski
Some religious conservatives haven't made much progress since the Biblical quotes you provided Laceym, in either their understanding of sex or their respect for women. They are still ruled by the spirit, if not the letter of St.Paul, who insists that women are second class-citizens.
As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.
1 Corinthians 14:33-38
There are still no women priests in the Catholic church. And t...
1-5-2008 9:11 PM
skwirlinator
Wo MAN
Fe MALE
Wo MEN

Aside from 'girl' what describes a female that does not root in male?
1-5-2008 10:43 PM
meancookie89
hmmmm religion in general hates women i wont lie about it!

but then again wasn't it man who made religion, laws, wars,pacts etc?

some men of religious power hate women why because religion give the that power to discriminate and then again these religions were made during a time where women didn't have a say in anything?

my understanding is to be religious is to be blind and tainted by the past discrimination and even foreign ethics .....its better to be a person of faith then of religion where following biased and ludicrous laws and even tainted text not created by god doesn't f wit head
1-6-2008 1:56 AM
masbury
The Pauline clip mentioned above is a distinct minority in Scripture, apparently needed for some cultural reason in a single place. If it is so important, why is it not mentioned in letters to churches of any other location?
By contrast, elsewhere he writes "there is no more male or female." In Acts 2, Peter says the day has come in which young and old, male and female will prophesy (and prophecy in this context is about preaching.) Throughout Acts, women teach and lead. Paul will later refer to some as apostle.
Jesus is radically more pro-women than almost anyone of his era. He speaks directly with women when no one else does, he constantly uses women as examples of wisdom in his para...
1-6-2008 2:39 AM
ratilfar
skwirl...


Mujer....
1-6-2008 7:07 AM
skwirlinator
Latino, spanish

I'm currently locked in english. Are there any english ones?
not slurs either, I'm looking for proper descriptives.
I would also like to know why it is based on MAN or MALE?
Girl is the only one I can think of and it sdoesn't really refer to ther adult version.
Lady may be another but I am not too sure.
1-6-2008 7:08 AM
skwirlinator
Wait Lady has LAD in it.
1-6-2008 7:29 AM
mickfinn
Aside from 'girl' what describes a female that does not root in male?
. . . Feminine
1-6-2008 7:30 AM
debbyski
I agree with you Masbury!! And that is why I always point out the folly of those who would follow such ancient beliefs, which were culturally based.
1-6-2008 9:02 AM
skwirlinator
Feminine
Isn't that based on fe MALE?
1-6-2008 11:07 AM
mickfinn
How can feminine have its roots in 'female'?

There can be a feminine female, but not a female feminine.

The word stands on its own.
1-6-2008 11:52 AM
debbyski
All I knows is I is soooo fem
1-6-2008 12:57 PM
meancookie89
aw hahahahahahah u u u r quick
1-6-2008 1:11 PM
mickfinn
Well debs, perhaps you're the original femme fatale?
1-6-2008 1:15 PM
ratilfar
That would be Latin...root language of Spanish. It still means that you can conceive of women without having the term rooted on word male. Think outside of the box, especially when the box is too small.
1-6-2008 1:27 PM
debbyski
1-6-2008 4:01 PM
AcesLucky
Those Scriptures that seem to limit female roles are completely outnumbered by a post-Pentecost context that offers women complete freedom to lead. And so have many churches been all along.
I agree with you Masbury!! And that is why I always point out the folly of those who would follow such ancient beliefs, which were culturally based.

I agree with you debbyski !! And that is why I always point out the folly of those who would follow such ancient beliefs.


1-6-2008 4:37 PM
swampfoxz
Mental abuse is wrong and has no affiliation to sex or religion.
1-6-2008 9:48 PM
mickfinn
LOL
1-7-2008 12:23 AM
kelvin273
On the etymology issue, female has as much to do with male as history has to do with his, but woman does literally mean "wife of man."

From <a href>http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=female#sharethis</a>;

<blockquote>female (n.)
c.1315, from O.Fr. femelle, from M.L. femella "a female," from L. femella "young female, girl," dim. of femina "woman" (see feminine). Sense extended in V.L. from humans to female of other animals. Spelling alt. late 14c. on mistaken parallel of male. Reference to sockets, etc., is from 1669.</blockquote>

from <a href>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman#sharethis</a>;:

<blockquote>woman
late O.E. wimman (pl. wimmen), lit. "woman-man," alteration of...
1-7-2008 12:24 AM
kelvin273
And apparently HTML blockquotes don't work for me, for some reason.
1-7-2008 7:05 AM
debbyski
I think this clip does something of a disservice by implying that this
behavior is exclusive to Christian men. This is how abusive men of all
cultures and faiths act. The clip and article describe a subset of
abusive men who attend (presumably very conservative, evangelical)
church regularly and use a selective interpretation of the Bible to
justify their behavior.
Precicesly my point Kelvin! This clip was inspired by another clip which pointed out how those of different faiths will sometimes use religion to justify abuse of women. One needs to speak to to the problems in the church, not hide behind or ignore them, as the Catholic church so often did in it's abuse issues.
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