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zaselfollowshare
2-22-2007 2:54 AM
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zasel says:
Matt Taibbi's article is absolutely right on the mark. Unfortunately I found it impossible to clip in a way that would bring out the important points he makes to their fullest extent. Please read the entire piece at the link above. It certainly will have you thinking about where the priorities of country are leading us, and make you wonder if we really do not deserve to be ripped off as Matt says.
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2-22-2007 6:42 PM
debbyski
2-22-2007 7:28 PM
Socratoad
Two very pertinent clips thank you zazel. Thank you Debby
2-22-2007 7:29 PM
zasel
Thank you Debbyski for posting the link to what appears to be a most important volume. I intend to purchase the book and read it as soon as possible. Ain't it amazing how so many of our founding father's dreams have gone up in smoke over the past two hundred some-odd years?
2-22-2007 8:06 PM
n2sooners
Our founding fathers dreams went up in smoke when income taxes were made legal in the first place. We shouldn't have an income tax system at all, and if we insist on having one it should be a flat tax and not the monstrosity we currently have.
2-22-2007 10:28 PM
RobertELegal
I always get a little confused when I see alarm generated by the fact that some rich person won't be getting taxed. Followed by equivalent worry that the same horrible, amoral people who won't be getting estate tax revenue are cutting a program run by horrible, amoral people.
I think one of the first solutions should be: Stop giving money to horrible, amoral people.
2-23-2007 11:26 AM
UpStateMike
Waaahhh!!!! Bush is cutting or free ride! Waaaaahhh!!!

next he'll force people that get unemployment for 6 years to have to go and get jobs. Waaaaaahhh!!!
2-23-2007 11:43 AM
debbyski
Read the excepts of the book by Thom Hartman and then discuss something rationally instead of sounding like a Bush loyalist, UpState.
2-23-2007 11:47 AM
gzuckier
Well, it seems clear that Taibbi's right; apparently a lot of clipmarkers are very firm in the belief that the world is a better place when Yale admissions go to the George Bushes of the world rather than some kid with straight A grades whose family went broke because somebody got kidney failure.
2-23-2007 12:01 PM
ericskiff
I wouldn't say a lot of clipmarkers, just some of the loud ones
2-23-2007 12:15 PM
UpStateMike
Debby, I'm not a Bush Loyalist, but I do support reducing free ride programs with monsterously bloated budgets that get rubberstamped every year.
2-23-2007 1:04 PM
debbyski
Did you read the excerpts from the Thom Hartman book, UpState? I would like for you to respond to them.
2-23-2007 2:40 PM
UpStateMike
The guy from Hot Air America?

What section of his opinionated viewpoint do you want me to read?
2-23-2007 2:49 PM
UpStateMike
Well, lets see...According to him Jimmy Carter ended the love the middle class era in America?

Regan must have come in and when we wasn't getting helping in diffusing the Cold War with Russia and seeing the Berlin Wall collapse, he was trying to screw the little guy?

2-23-2007 5:31 PM
debbyski
Apparently you are an advocate of big corporate interests UpState. You ain't never gonna be rich; so get over it and try to see what is best for America.
2-23-2007 9:43 PM
gingembre
Thanks for this clip, zasel, even though its message (and some of the comments it has generated) makes me even more frustrated with people who defend what is so blatantly indefensible to anyone with the intelligence and/or perspective to see what is going on.

I come from a lower middle class family in a fairly wealthy community in a Conservative state, so I am quite familiar with the mindset of people who just don't get it--people who bitch and moan about welfare mothers getting food stamps but admire the business savvy of oil company executives whose lavish lifestyles contrast sharply with their own; people who have been taught that paying taxes is bad and that those who can avoid ...
2-23-2007 9:46 PM
gingembre
I have a close relative who for many years has cleaned for one prominent oil exec and his family in the community. To her these people can do no wrong; she thinks that they deserve their riches because they are able to rake in more and more money, whereas she and her family barely limp along financially. And can you guess what her reaction is if I say anything that even implies that her employers are getting richer at the expense of the poor? She hotly denies it. To her, the fact that they are rich makes them better, smarter, and more capable people who deserve all the tax breaks they get because they are better and smarter and more capable of figuring out how to get tax breaks. To her, peop...
2-23-2007 9:50 PM
sparlingphoto
try to see what is best for America.
Spoken like a true socialist, DSki! If it weren't for business, there would be no revenues for your "entitlements".
2-24-2007 8:29 AM
debbyski
Oh Sparling,
Did you even read any of Gingembre's comments? Did you read any of the excerpts by Thom Hartman? I'm a proponent of capitalism. But I don't want big business running our government, and I expect them to give back to the community and the worker's who help them make profits.
2-24-2007 8:56 AM
debbyski
Gingembre,
Without a doubt the rich have used the power of their tangible assets to control, manipulate and exploit the poor in extortion, fraud, injustice and betrayal. Their selfish aspiration to "get" and acquire, to accumulate more and more by hoarding, stockpiling, and "building bigger barns" (Lk. 12:18), often causes them to adopt the expedient principle that "the end justifies the means."

Being poor is expensive. Low income families pay more for all sorts of things. As long as we live in a nation where one culture dominates all others; where there is racial favoritism; where a small few appropriate a disproportionate amount of the nation’s wealth to itself; and where some live insi...
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