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6-23-2008 10:09 AM463 views
egoldstein says:
Man, Tom Friedman just nails it. This is exactly what the Bush administration is trying to do and it scares the heck out of me. I strongly suggest that you click the source link to read the entire article.
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6-23-2008 10:59 AM
willhelm
it scares the heck out of me
What?

A good energy policy is one that provides the most energy at the cheapest price. The fact that this article says this is not an "energy policy" only means that it is not a socialist energy policy. The best policy for the advancement of alternative energy and the health of the US economy is to produce our own oil. That means we have to drill, liquify coal, invest in better efficiency, and provide stimulus for alternative energy development.
6-24-2008 11:16 AM
skwirlinator
I've been a professional mechanic for over 25 years and I have seen the face and guts of the automotive industry change drasticly in an effort to conserve usage and reduce emmissions. Its been a reworking circle as designers struggle to refine and rework the same basic systems all based on fossil fuels.
The issue shouldn't be how much the fuel costs.
The issue is, In our world of technology, why we are still using obsolete energy sources in the first place.
6-24-2008 11:29 AM
skwirlinator
We are locked into a size and shape due to the highway and road systems we keep maintaining.
But how would we get our stuff where it needs to go?
One possibility:
One corridor across the center of the country from shore to shore that houses great rigs that ferry goods across the country at high speed on mag-lev solar powered sleds. On the sleds are the trailers and personal conveyances that clog our interstates. Multiple lanes terminate at various points across the country. At those points are hubs that spider out to stations in the various cities in that region.
The two center lanes terminate at a hub at each ocean.
Solar panels line all surfaces of the structure including the massive sleds...
6-27-2008 12:54 AM
jmjoness
That's great skwirl, but I highly doubt this will be coming any time soon... And what does oil prices have anything to do with seeking alternative sources of fuel??! Or higher technology?? I see nothing wrong with handling the problems we're having with the fuel that's currently in use, and also working on alternative fuels and technology. And honestly none of this is "scary", come on. We just need to be flexible.
6-27-2008 7:27 AM
skwirlinator
You be flexible - I'm broke and going under poverty fast.
A tank of gas now lasts me 1 month unless society forces me to drive out of town. I still can't live on my pay.
I have to make $18ph to make it worth driving the 50 miles per day to get to a new job (small town demographics) and the jobs available are only paying $14 - 15 ph.
I used my stimulus check to fill my tank, buy food stocks and pay back utility bills. How does me paying electric bill stimulate anything except the stockholders.
There are free energy source available that could be utilized if someone had the guts to back them. The oil companies know about them, hell, they probably control the patents on them so they can keep...
6-27-2008 9:09 AM
egoldstein
Just wanted to acknowledge your comment Skwirl.
6-27-2008 6:23 PM
mconway
I hate homeless people. Their whole existence is illegal. They don't pay taxes, all of their possessions are stolen, they loiter, they are a public nuisance, and they only exist because of the good will of others. Some people in this life will never make it no matter how much you hold their hands. Providing them positive reinforcement makes it seem more acceptable and viable. From a City management perspective, I would do everything I can to exterminate them. I would kick them out of the City, repossess all of their stolen possessions, and tell them that they can come back when they are ready to contribute to the community. If you don't pay taxes, you are nobody, you do not deserve the rights of members of the community.
6-27-2008 8:00 PM
jmjoness
You be flexible - I'm broke and going under poverty fast.
That's why I think we should fix the problems we're having with high oil (which is being manipulated by corruption)... It's a lot easier to combat high oil prices then it is to switch to a completely different transport system! When I said "flexible", I meant that we should be able to lower the cost of fossil fuels, while continuing the search for other sources of energy. In other words, the average Joe needs to be more RESPONSIBLE. But Americans don't want to hear that, do they?
6-27-2008 8:02 PM
jmjoness
I hate homeless people. Their whole existence is illegal.
I stopped reading your comment on this first sentence. Excuse me while I throw up..
6-27-2008 8:23 PM
n2sooners
You be flexible - I'm broke and going under poverty fast.
Yet you advocate policies that are going to cost you even more. Alternative fuel and vehicles will cost at least as much if not more than what we are currently paying for gas. On top of that you will need to invest in a new vehicle to use it, and the cheapest of those vehicles will cost much more than the cheapest gas powered vehicles cost. And then there is the cost of revamping our entire gas based infrastructure (unless we can come up with a viable liquid fuel replacement).
6-28-2008 7:55 AM
skwirlinator
If I wrecked my car today, a replacement of any value would be beyond my means. I work 1 mile from where I live. I will be buying a bicycle when I get some money saved, problem is there is no money left to save. I am broke the day I get paid due to utilities and food.
I advocate few things in reality - one thing I advocate is a reduction of greed across the board. The only reason prices are so high and costs are so high is because we greedy people know people will pay thru the ass for something they want. Manufacturing has streamlined and automated over the years making the costs involved in producing goods go down and the sale value go way up.
You spout off about the costs but there are co...
6-28-2008 10:06 AM
n2sooners
The only reason prices are so high and costs are so high is because we greedy people know people will pay thru the ass for something they want.
Actually, there are two reasons prices are high, they are supply and demand. With world wide demand increasing what do we expect will happen when we restrict any increases in supply?

And you keep talking about greed, yet the oil company runs on one of the lowest profit margins out there. The only reason they make lots of money is volume. You are right about us being greedy though. No one gave a damn when oil companies were losing money, but when the money they have invested over the years starts to pay off, our elected officials (who...
6-28-2008 7:14 PM
jmjoness
OIL PRICING 101... There is a fundamental error/misunderstanding in the public's perception of oil pricing and profits. The price which is communicated by the media is the 'spot market' price only, i.e., the last 10% of crude oil out of the ground, not under long term contract, before conversion into any number of products or uses. The other 90% of crude oil is already subject to long-term contract and pricing... pricing far less than the 'spot market' price so widely disseminated.

Historically, the oil industry has shared fondness for 'creative accounting' with the movie/television industries. Any conclusion a reader of the balance sheets in either industry forms must be countered with an ...
6-28-2008 7:15 PM
jmjoness
That was a comment made by dbdevil on another clip, I thought it was extremely interesting.
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