We in Northern Italy, have had many cases of meningites....Officially 8 people were hospitalised initially about two weeks ago in Treviso in the Veneto Region wich borders our Region, Friuli Venezia Giulia.... The authorities ordered hospital staff to play down the alarm.... They were afraid of the panic effect on the population but now there are cases of deaths and patients being hospitalised all over the Peninsular...
Today on the news they said they're beginning to encourage the vaccination of children in some Regions... the Vaccine costs 30 euro so it would be in the interest of the pharmaceutical firms to delay as long as possible state funded public mass vaccination....
One man's brea...

We in Northern Italy, have had many cases of meningites....Officially 8 people were hospitalised initially about two weeks ago in Treviso in the Veneto Region wich borders our Region, Friuli Venezia Giulia.... The authorities ordered hospital staff to play down the alarm.... They were afraid of the panic effect on the population but now there are cases of deaths and patients being hospitalised all over the Peninsular...
Today on the news they said they're beginning to encourage the vaccination of children in some Regions... the Vaccine costs 30 euro so it would be in the interest of the pharmaceutical firms to delay as long as possible state funded public mass vaccination....
One man's bread and butter seems more important than the lives of hundreds or thousands of his fellow human sreatures... Huh .....

I was shocked to see someone claiming to be an epidemiologist making such remarks. Actually it was just made worse when they said they had my back, because all they clearly demonstrated having is a caviler attitude.
Plus they miss the point entirely as I see it, since when I first heard of this a month or two ago,the impression I got was that the furor was over the sudden change in the threat of a previously relatively benign illness, and the devastation it could cause to healthy people. Any sudden unexpected change is going to get peoples attention, that is human nature, and to criticize clipping about it is strange indeed, at least to me.
I would hold in suspension believing that the write...

I was shocked to see someone claiming to be an epidemiologist making such remarks. Actually it was just made worse when they said they had my back, because all they clearly demonstrated having is a caviler attitude.
Plus they miss the point entirely as I see it, since when I first heard of this a month or two ago,the impression I got was that the furor was over the sudden change in the threat of a previously relatively benign illness, and the devastation it could cause to healthy people. Any sudden unexpected change is going to get peoples attention, that is human nature, and to criticize clipping about it is strange indeed, at least to me.
I would hold in suspension believing that the writer really is an epidemiologist because if they are, it's very scary.

Interesting rfnajera.
I read your Blog piece, "Twinkies and Sin" which was interesting, had the twinkies in it, just as your remark today did, substantiated the medical background, and was pretty good, perhaps very good on the subject of sin, and how to view it.
It also alluded to a, possibly in the past character trait that you described a professor believing you had. I hate it when people accuse me of that because of course it's not true; I just strongly defend my views and people hold that against me,
To be honest, I did find the recitation of stats relating to deaths and treating those stats as no big deal under a heading of 'Chill Out' to be a rather normal if not sensitive attitude som...

Interesting rfnajera.
I read your Blog piece, "Twinkies and Sin" which was interesting, had the twinkies in it, just as your remark today did, substantiated the medical background, and was pretty good, perhaps very good on the subject of sin, and how to view it.
It also alluded to a, possibly in the past character trait that you described a professor believing you had. I hate it when people accuse me of that because of course it's not true; I just strongly defend my views and people hold that against me,
To be honest, I did find the recitation of stats relating to deaths and treating those stats as no big deal under a heading of 'Chill Out' to be a rather normal if not sensitive attitude some people will have, that is until I got to the end and you said you were an epidemiologist followed by the "Relax, I've got your back". That really did floor me.
Hey I just searched out the clip this started on, and I find you blew it in my opinion.
Aside from the pointlessness of your mentioning my spelling error, which I wasn't going to mention, you said:
"Healt Care Professional"? You just tried using a whole bunch of big words to no avail. Perhaps it's your gene pool that should be cleansed?
Can't apologize to an attitude like that. Yes the person did say uncomplimentary things about epidemiologists in general, but your response does not paint a caring image of epidemiologists, rather it supports their view of them.
The difference between the two attacks is that Joseph's critique appears to be in defense of humanity, while your critique is just scorn of 2 people who raised your ire.
That's how I see it anyway.

Here's what happened... Each year, Epis look at what viruses are circulating around the world and make a best guess estimate of what to put in the vaccine. For this season, they made their recommendation last February. Unfortunately, Darwinian evolution threw a wrench in works when a new strain developed in Australia months after the vaccines had been made for us... The Brisbane strain. After all, they're epidemiologists, not time-travelers.
At any rate, the Brisbane strain is now included in the vaccine for the Southern Hemisphere for this coming summer. However, if another strain pops up here in the states this winter, it will be too late for that vaccine batch.
So my colleagues and I ar...

Here's what happened... Each year, Epis look at what viruses are circulating around the world and make a best guess estimate of what to put in the vaccine. For this season, they made their recommendation last February. Unfortunately, Darwinian evolution threw a wrench in works when a new strain developed in Australia months after the vaccines had been made for us... The Brisbane strain. After all, they're epidemiologists, not time-travelers.
At any rate, the Brisbane strain is now included in the vaccine for the Southern Hemisphere for this coming summer. However, if another strain pops up here in the states this winter, it will be too late for that vaccine batch.
So my colleagues and I are ramping up the surveillance to see if that happens. If it does, we'll recommend increased levels of precaution, like we're recommending now.
Also, the strains that are in the vaccine are still around, so people should still get vaccinated. Numbers of cases and deaths would be really high right about now if no one had gotten their vaccine.

I think there's a misunderstanding of what an epidemiologist is...

is there not some crossover protection?

Of course we shouldn't really expect 'some' to know that.

That's why 'some' felt the need to ask, I guess.

My point was, it is obviously a bit of a stretch, to say that they "have our backs" which they obviously don't. They never have and they never will. As for the safety of the ingredients of vaccines? That is another clip altogether. But there are also other concerns, besides the neorotoxicity of thimerosol, aluminium etc. Corruption, cover ups, etc, from the pharmaceutical industry (surprise!) and contamination are a big part of the equation and of my misgivings about vaccines too.

Here are some things to consi...

is there not some crossover protection?

Of course we shouldn't really expect 'some' to know that.

That's why 'some' felt the need to ask, I guess.

My point was, it is obviously a bit of a stretch, to say that they "have our backs" which they obviously don't. They never have and they never will. As for the safety of the ingredients of vaccines? That is another clip altogether. But there are also other concerns, besides the neorotoxicity of thimerosol, aluminium etc. Corruption, cover ups, etc, from the pharmaceutical industry (surprise!) and contamination are a big part of the equation and of my misgivings about vaccines too.

Here are some things to consider;
Polio vaccine recalled over BSE fears
FDA knew of Medeva vaccine horror, still okayed for US.

Vaccine Dangers and Vested Interests

Vets issue animal vaccine warning

The Truth Behind The Vaccine Cover Up

I hope the "theme" of the links is apparent. I guess what it all boils down to is, do you trust the pharmaceutical companies to have our best interests at heart, orr isn't the bottom line, that profits count more? (Duuuh) Do those we trust with our health always know what they are doing? Do they really care? Do you trust the FDA? Do you trust the CDC? Do you trust the pharmaceutical companies? It's one's personal knowledge and experience that will decide that. I really don't care who wants to fill their bodies with bits of animal DNA, RNA, proteins, prions, toxins and other goodies, as long as it isn't mandatory. It's their choice and as long I am not forced to buy into the hype, then each to his own. If you have faith, than jab away.

"I think it's absolutely criminal to give mercury to an infant." - Boyd Haley, Ph.D., Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky

"The committee accepts that under certain conditions, infections and heavy metals, including thimerosal [mercury preservative in vaccines], can injure the nervous system." - Dr. Marie McCormick, Chairperson and co-author of the 2004 Institute of Medicine Report often cited by journalists that mercury in vaccines is somehow "safe".

Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."

"Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o'clock for an emergency call ...

"I think it's absolutely criminal to give mercury to an infant." - Boyd Haley, Ph.D., Chemistry Department Chair, University of Kentucky

"The committee accepts that under certain conditions, infections and heavy metals, including thimerosal [mercury preservative in vaccines], can injure the nervous system." - Dr. Marie McCormick, Chairperson and co-author of the 2004 Institute of Medicine Report often cited by journalists that mercury in vaccines is somehow "safe".

Dr. James R. Shannon, former director of the National Institute of Health declared, "the only safe vaccine is one that is never used."

"Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out at eight o'clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by c-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meanwhile I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines". -- Dr Johnson (alluding to a study by a Doctor Thomas Verstraeten, then representing the CDC )

Each to his own, I guess.