Ok then...lets see the 10 points of the faith as expressed on the Trinity Church own webpage:

# A congregation committed to ADORATION.

# A congregation preaching SALVATION.

# A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.

# A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

# A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.

# A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.

# A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

# A congregation committed to LIBERATION.

# A congregation committed to RESTORATION.

# A congreg...

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Ok then...lets see the 10 points of the faith as expressed on the Trinity Church own webpage:

# A congregation committed to ADORATION.

# A congregation preaching SALVATION.

# A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.

# A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

# A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.

# A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.

# A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

# A congregation committed to LIBERATION.

# A congregation committed to RESTORATION.

# A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY

Sounds like a pretty pro-active Church to me. Nothing wrong so far.

But I know your going to focus on what it says above...

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and minis...

But I know your going to focus on what it says above...

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

So their not ashamed to be...you know...black. Heaven forbid that the Amish ne unashamed of not beign, you know Dutch, or certain Catholic churches of beign, you know, Irish, or Anglican churches of beign...well, English.

I find nothing ubjectionable here either. Seems to be a worthy set of goals, perfectly understood inside the religious tradition I was brought in (as a Catholic).

Let me see what else I can dig up....

From the Wiki (yes, I know its a Wiki):

Black theology is theology from the perspective of the African diaspora - any people or ethnic population forced or induced to leave their traditional homelands. The message of black theology is that the African American struggle for liberation is consistent with the gospel--every theological statement must be consistent with, and perpetuate, the goals of liberation. This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage—social, political, economic and religious. This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.

Again, not trying...

From the Wiki (yes, I know its a Wiki):

Black theology is theology from the perspective of the African diaspora - any people or ethnic population forced or induced to leave their traditional homelands. The message of black theology is that the African American struggle for liberation is consistent with the gospel--every theological statement must be consistent with, and perpetuate, the goals of liberation. This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage—social, political, economic and religious. This liberation involves empowerment and seeks the right of self-definition, self-affirmation and self-determination.

Again, not trying to impose their views on anyone, turn the U.S. into a theocracy, invade our homes and bedrooms with their theology or hasting the End of the World...

But I think this deserves a little more research, don't ya think?

And from the Trinity Church Website Mission Statement:

Trinity United Church of Christ has been called by God to be a congregation that is not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and that does not apologize for its African roots! As a congregation of baptized believers, we are called to be agents of liberation not only for the oppressed, but for all of God’s family. We, as a church family, acknowledge, that we will, building on this affirmation of "who we are" and "whose we are," call men, women, boys and girls to the liberating love of Jesus Christ, inviting them to become a part of the church universal, responding to Jesus’ command that we go into all the world and make disciples...

And from the Trinity Church Website Mission Statement:

Trinity United Church of Christ has been called by God to be a congregation that is not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and that does not apologize for its African roots! As a congregation of baptized believers, we are called to be agents of liberation not only for the oppressed, but for all of God’s family. We, as a church family, acknowledge, that we will, building on this affirmation of "who we are" and "whose we are," call men, women, boys and girls to the liberating love of Jesus Christ, inviting them to become a part of the church universal, responding to Jesus’ command that we go into all the world and make disciples!

We are called out to be "a chosen people" that pays no attention to socio-economic or educational backgrounds. We are made up of the highly educated and the uneducated. Our congregation is a combination of the haves and the have-nots; the economically disadvantaged, the under-class, the unemployed and the employable.

The fortunate who are among us combine forces with the less fortunate to become agents of change for God who is not pleased with America’s economic mal-distribution!

W.E.B. DuBois indicated that the problem in the 20th century was going to be the problem of the color line. He was absolutely correct. Our job as servants of God is to address that problem and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ.

Oh, I see their communist...wait no, their Christians..so...oh ok their Socialist...eveil Socialist....

The eight men who are survivors of the syphilis study at Tuskegee are a living link to a time not so very long ago that many Americans would prefer not to remember, but we dare not forget. It was a time when our nation failed to live up to its ideals, when our nation broke the trust with our people that is the very foundation of our democracy. It is not only in remembering that shameful past that we can make amends and repair our nation, but it is in remembering that past that we can build a better present and a better future. And without remembering it, we cannot make amends and we cannot go forward.

So today America does remember the hundreds of men used in research ...

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The eight men who are survivors of the syphilis study at Tuskegee are a living link to a time not so very long ago that many Americans would prefer not to remember, but we dare not forget. It was a time when our nation failed to live up to its ideals, when our nation broke the trust with our people that is the very foundation of our democracy. It is not only in remembering that shameful past that we can make amends and repair our nation, but it is in remembering that past that we can build a better present and a better future. And without remembering it, we cannot make amends and we cannot go forward.

So today America does remember the hundreds of men used in research without their knowledge and consent. We remember them and their family members. Men who were poor and African American, without resources and with few alternatives, they believed they had found hope when they were offered free medical care by the United States Public Health Service. They were betrayed.

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT (WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON)
IN APOLOGY FOR STUDY DONE IN TUSKEGEE

Oh it is, but Willie's sentence is misleading, comparing this pastor
actions to Wrights and Obama's speech to whatever response the Hillary
would give. As if some how Obama did not condemned Wrights words and
did not put them in the proper context. Of course not understanding
what he is talking about is par for the course.

I tend not to make comments in response to ratilfar's brink of utter mental retardation, but I feel I must to realign the intent of the clip and original question posed.

For the record, the orignal question assumes a similarity where none exists. My comment was not a comparison, but a distinction. A concept I know is foreign to the unappraochable stu...

Oh it is, but Willie's sentence is misleading, comparing this pastor
actions to Wrights and Obama's speech to whatever response the Hillary
would give. As if some how Obama did not condemned Wrights words and
did not put them in the proper context. Of course not understanding
what he is talking about is par for the course.

I tend not to make comments in response to ratilfar's brink of utter mental retardation, but I feel I must to realign the intent of the clip and original question posed.

For the record, the orignal question assumes a similarity where none exists. My comment was not a comparison, but a distinction. A concept I know is foreign to the unappraochable stupidity the likes of ratlifar, but I digress.
It was a point of differences. A mark of the utter lunacy of comparing the two instances. The hypothetical situation I offered is an example as close to exact as could exist of how the relationship and similarities could exist if they were the case between Hillary and her preacher.

No one should be confused here. Let the muddled minds continue to mutate.

Not at all. I'm coming on the side that Obama did what he needed to do and spoke well. And as I continue my research I find that Wright is more right than wrong. Nothing I heard (except the examples above) is incorrect historically and it is not racist, it is the truth. These two clips are clear examples of it. I do not agree with the words "God Damn America" I don't want any country to be damned, but if you see the whole thing, it makes sense, crude, but makes sense:

Links like these (9:57 min):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

(6:48 min)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

This one is the clincher, where he compares Hillary experiences with Obamas. And you kno...

Not at all. I'm coming on the side that Obama did what he needed to do and spoke well. And as I continue my research I find that Wright is more right than wrong. Nothing I heard (except the examples above) is incorrect historically and it is not racist, it is the truth. These two clips are clear examples of it. I do not agree with the words "God Damn America" I don't want any country to be damned, but if you see the whole thing, it makes sense, crude, but makes sense:

Links like these (9:57 min):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

(6:48 min)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

This one is the clincher, where he compares Hillary experiences with Obamas. And you know what he nails it on the head.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

Mental retardation? Thats a new one Willie. Did you come up with that one all by yourself? Or does that makes me a victim of materialism?

And n2, again, you make claims, but offer not proof.

Wow! Didn't think my little clip would generate so much discussion (although I secretly hoped it would). Discussion is good, and everyone can learn from others' views, particularly if you keep an open mind. I learned a few things from this thread.
First off, Willhelm, I do realize it's not a fair comparison. I'm sure the Clintons were not aware of, nor responsible for, their pastor's actions, which he no doubt did in secret.
But I also don't think what Rev. Wright has said necessarily reflects the views of Obama either. I'm a white man and have seen video clips of Wright and read some of his views, and frankly I'm not a bit offended by them. His statements don't sound particularly ra...

Wow! Didn't think my little clip would generate so much discussion (although I secretly hoped it would). Discussion is good, and everyone can learn from others' views, particularly if you keep an open mind. I learned a few things from this thread.
First off, Willhelm, I do realize it's not a fair comparison. I'm sure the Clintons were not aware of, nor responsible for, their pastor's actions, which he no doubt did in secret.
But I also don't think what Rev. Wright has said necessarily reflects the views of Obama either. I'm a white man and have seen video clips of Wright and read some of his views, and frankly I'm not a bit offended by them. His statements don't sound particularly racist to me and, in fact, I found myself agreeing with some of them. White people don't and can't completely understand what it's like to face racism, which is sometimes subtle and hidden, on a daily basis, throughout their lives. I can't tell you the number of times I have heard other whites make racist remarks and these same people would deny any prejudice on their part. Sometimes people don't even recognize their own subtle racism. It's this type of subtle or 'hidden' racism which I fear may affect Obama's chances to be elected, which if true, is a shame.
I don't support Clinton nor Obama, and certainly not McCain and at present don't know whom I'll vote for in November. As a Ron Paul supporter, I feel all the 'major' candidates are pretty much the same and will pursue the same basic course in both foreign and domestic matters. With some minor differences in policy, of course, but not the sweeping changes that need to be made to restore the country to a more Constitutional basis.
Rev. Wright was called 'anti-American' for saying the events of 911 were "the chickens coming home to roost", but Ron Paul said pretty much the same thing in the debates, just using different words. As Paul stated, our actions have consequences.

Thanks to all of you who left comments!

But I also don't think what Rev. Wright has said necessarily reflects
the views of Obama either. I'm a white man and have seen video clips of
Wright and read some of his views, and frankly I'm not a bit offended
by them.

Well, you can certainly choose to believe what you want to believe. However, the point about Wright's comments are that they are based on Black Liberation Theology which teaches the destruction of the "white enemy" and believes that God rejects all other races except Blacks. Obama is culpable in his involvement wiht that theology for 20 plus years. That is why it matters. You say discussion is good if you keep an open mind. That is true. However, Are you look...

But I also don't think what Rev. Wright has said necessarily reflects
the views of Obama either. I'm a white man and have seen video clips of
Wright and read some of his views, and frankly I'm not a bit offended
by them.

Well, you can certainly choose to believe what you want to believe. However, the point about Wright's comments are that they are based on Black Liberation Theology which teaches the destruction of the "white enemy" and believes that God rejects all other races except Blacks. Obama is culpable in his involvement wiht that theology for 20 plus years. That is why it matters. You say discussion is good if you keep an open mind. That is true. However, Are you looking at this objectively? Would you call someone that was a member of the KKK a racist. Black theology and the KKK have similar agaendas. Black Theology even supports terrorism in the sense that founder of Black Theology states that black people must achieve domination by 'any mean necessary'.

Also , you say you want to roll back the Country to a "more Constitutional basis". So do I. How do you think a Progressive would do that? That is entirely opposed to their totalitarian, fascist agenda. You may want to review a little history and look at the devastating results of progressivism, materialism, and socialism in the early 20th century.