masbury says: great, clear graphic Something strange happened to the Eurasian continent and to Australia on this map. But that's not really relevant. Relevant is its content: Prison Population Rates per 100,000 of the national population I just wish they would catch and lock away the white collar criminals. Those people wreck people lives and after a few years in jail, do the same thing over again. (A perfect world would have no greedy suckers for the conmen to rip) Having been around prisons a little bit, I see them making people worse rather than better. In the US, in prison, you learn survival by intimidation and gang violence. I can't imagine how a person who spends a decade there can un-learn it. I have a hunch there are cleverer ways of punishment for white-collar criminals that really would prevent them from future crimes. Just seems like the cookie-cutter approach doesn't fit. I'd like to see us lock up the people we're afraid of, and do other things with the ones we're mad at. We all know that Australia is just a prison colony with good weather, and weird animals . The way to create a prison from which the prisoners will not run away (or swim). The meaning of the idea of a 'Prison Colony' has changed a lot over the last few centuries. As has the word Freedom. It has become over qualified, to provide employment for struggling lawyers. The dispute over the exact definition of freedom has been the mainstay of the legal industry, and the endless reconfiguration of Laws that are proclaimed to be just as they stand. There continued admission that the law needs reform while we are obliged to obey it absolutely. Counterintuitive? . Where people serve the law, when the l... 157 Sweden 79 157 Venezuela 79 161 Marshall Islands 78 162 Ireland, Republic of 76 162 Switzerland 76 164 Benin Thought we were no going to be on the list at all. What are we going right or wrong in peaceful Ireland? Thanks Bill. Not having to provide security on the British border has saved us an absolute fortune that created the Celtic Tiger. By the way, does this mean that Americas are by a factor of 10 worse criminals that the Irish? Or does it mean that of every 10,000 clipper, 75 of you are currently in prison as against 7 Irish? Or while you are missing for a time that - as the British put it - you are at her majesty's pleasure? Ha ha. I'm sure I must be wrong. Or does it mean that of every 10,000 clipper, 75 of you are currently in prison as against 7 Irish?I'm sorry to say it means exactly that. It is a legacy of the "tough on crime" Reagan years, in which many mandatory jail terms were passed, especially for drug-related crimes. Our crime rates are probably rather similar, but the US incarceration rate - especially for young black men, which is perhaps 40% - are simply unbelievable. Some call us a welfare state. More appropriate is calling us a prison state. It is precisely the welfare state that has caused the crime rate among young blacks. They are killing each other for the most part. So it can't continue forever. As for tough on crime, would you prefer not tough on crime? Prisons aren't supposed to be about rehabillitation. If you want to be rehabillitated in prison there are plenty of outlets availabe to you at the taxpayers expense. Prison is about punishment. It is precisely the welfare state that has caused the crime rate among young blacks.??? Our welfare system is far far more developed than yours. I could list ours but it would take to long. Would you accept that the Irish case disproves your wefare state notion as being the cause of your excessive prison population. Now there must be NO CRIME now in America. All the criminals are locked up, right? If not, then locking people up does not work. This is very very simple logic so I'm sure you will have no problem understanding it, Sillysam, right? There is one other possibility. You have being locking up the wrong people!!! Free the Blacks and lock up all those moral... Indeed your welfare system is far more developed than ours. Your history and your culture is also far different than ours. Not to mention, the Irish populations is far less diverse than the US. So no. The Irish situation isn't comparable to the US situation. Where is the logic in that. If locking up people solved crime there would have been an end to crime centuries ago. I didn't say it solved the crime problem. So stop being pedantic. And yes, we locked up all the blacks just because we felt like it. That is the way our legal system works in America. As for moral degenerates, our President and our Vice President are not degenerates and you, not being from America, should proba... SS, someone very dear to me has done time in prison. It broke my heart. And what he was there for was barely a crime when I was his age. He was harassed by a vindictive prosecutor and virtually abandoned by a court-appointed defense lawyer. In prison, young men learn how to survive by physical domination and gang allegiance. How, after spending, say, ten years in such a world, will they ever know how to solve problems otherwise? Recidivism is, partly as a result, unbelievably high. Sending people to prison strips them of their job, their right to vote, much of their ability to get a job, and often they lose their families. We take people who got in some trouble, and ruin their lives, imagin... Oh please....waaaaah, waaaah....stop your whining! They're in there for a very good reason....lib's want the gov'ment to solve all their problems....so they enact the most petty and stupid laws possible....then the idiot conservatives follow it up with severe punishment....Left, Right, Left, Right, Left....we all march in lockstop to our two political parties now don't we? Sillysam, I'm reasonably sure that replying to you it a waste of my time. Like most of your ilk you are also xenophobic. My "lock up all those moral degenerates that lied and cheated the American people for 8 years" that you made a connection with Bush that I didn't. Good for you. However your .. As for moral degenerates, our President and our Vice President are not degenerates and you, not being from America, should probably keep your criticisms to facts and not character judgments.So you accept that they are moral degenerates to you as a xenophobic American but not a moral degenerate to me as an Irishman. That argument is bordering on racism which is also no surprise. T Sillysam, your ... And yes, we locked up all the blacks just because we felt like it. That is the way our legal system works in America.... is pure racism unless it is some twisted logic that is lost on me. The inference that your legal system works is a large jump. Obviously something in the system is rotten. Your ... If locking up people solved crime there would have been an end to crime centuries ago. I didn't say it solved the crime problem. So stop being pedantic.So why lock them up, if I'm not being pedantic? Who knows if there is a correct solution but the American system certainly doesn't. When will yoy know Sillysam? When 30% are imprisoned? 40%... Now on your xenophobia and degenerate president. Your logic is that only Americas have the right to give their honest opinion on the worst US president in the memory of man. Obviously I disagree with your opinion. I personally have reason that quite a few other non Americans would have. Despite my clear socialist leanings I'm a capitalist in that I have funds and stocks. GEORGE BUSH COST ME A FORTUNE. In addition to all the deaths that he is responsible for that put him firmly in the Pol Pot, Stalin and Mao category, he will be responsible for far more deaths though out the world. They in the main only murdered their own people. His Katrina performance will be dwarfed by hi... |
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