All true, yet I think Obama might represent enough of a change in method that he could be part of an incremental change, paving the way for more radical change.

Howard Zinn has said "the world would be better off if America had never existed".

Howard Zinn has said "the world would be better off if America had never existed".

Of course, but better off for whom?

I guess for buggy whip manufacturers.

Slaves, native tribes, the forests, streams, rivers, lakes, the sky....a nation built on genocide and slavery, war and violence, greed, "manifest destiny"....and here we are in '08 still racist, warmongering, defiling nature, using obscene amounts of energy and sucking the Earth dry....Maybe Howard was right.