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5-15-2008 11:40 PM
willhelm
Hmmm. I wonder why that graph started in 1970 and ended in 2004? The temperature changes would almost be nonexistent if you started in 1930 and ended in 2008.
5-16-2008 10:12 AM
lifecyce1898
the page has a place for comments on the lower right where you could ask that question.
5-16-2008 3:29 PM
willhelm
It was rhetorical. If the graph started in 1930 and ended in 2008, it might show a cooling trend.

If it started in 1998 and ended in 2008, it would show a cooling trend.

If it started in 1750 and ended in 2008, it would show a warming trend.

If it started in 750 and ended in 2008, it would show a cooling trend.

It all depends on the outcome you want.
5-16-2008 3:34 PM
lifecyce1898
regardless why not post it there?
5-16-2008 3:56 PM
willhelm
I'm not really interested in going to the site of every clip I choose to comment on and post my comments (especially when I already know the answer), but thanks for the suggestion. Perhaps I thought a fellow clipper might be more informed than the average surfer and engage with a more thoughtful response than you would normally find at most sites anyway, which is usually the case.
5-16-2008 5:23 PM
jklugman
Hmmm. I wonder why that graph started in 1970 and ended in 2004? The temperature changes would almost be nonexistent if you started in 1930 and ended in 2008.
Wrong. The Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC documents that temperatures grew over the past 100 years--perhaps even the past 150 years:

Fourth Assessment Report said:

Eleven of the last twelve years (1995-2006) rank among the twelve warmest years in the instrumental record of global surface temperature (since 1850)...The linear warming trend over the 50 years from 1956 to 2005 (0.13 [0.10 to 0.16]°C per decade) is nearly twice that for the 100...
5-16-2008 5:41 PM
lifecyce1898
Nice do i detect some cherry picking by our esteemed clipper? Of course why bother when you already have all the answers?
5-16-2008 5:48 PM
willhelm
I didn't say the last 100 years. I said since "1930". But, once again, you make my point about how time frame makes all the difference.
5-16-2008 5:52 PM
willhelm
I also did not say that I have "all the answers" . I said I know the answer to the question I posed. Yet, another example of how some can have such little respect for accuracy when your point is not facts, rather agenda.
5-16-2008 5:58 PM
jklugman
Willhelm said:

If the graph started in 1930 and ended in 2008, it might show a cooling trend.
The information I quoted above--and the graph I linked to--show this is quite wrong.
5-16-2008 5:59 PM
willhelm
the IPCC documents that temperatures grew over the past 100 years--perhaps even the past 150 years:
LOL !

You mean there is actually a possibility that emps HAVE NOT increased in the last 100 years?
5-16-2008 6:01 PM
willhelm
It is not wrong, If your graph says global temps have increased from 1930 to 2008, then your graph is wrong.
5-16-2008 6:04 PM
jklugman
It is not wrong, If your graph says global temps have increased from 1930 to 2008, then your graph is wrong.
Says who?
5-16-2008 6:09 PM
willhelm
Good question.

So is this one.
You mean there is actually a possibility that temps HAVE NOT increased in the last 150 years?
Jklugman: " IPCC documents that temperatures grew over the past 100 years--perhaps even the past 150 years:"

Perhaps?
5-16-2008 6:30 PM
jklugman
Good question.
If you want to invite readers to make a choice between the IPCC (which says temperatures increased from 1930 to the present and from 1998 to the present) and yourself (who claims, without any sourcing, that temperatures actually decreased during these time periods), be my guest.
5-16-2008 6:44 PM
willhelm
You are hilarious.
5-16-2008 10:59 PM
n2sooners
It is simple math. The hottest year in the past half century was 1998. It hasn't been hotter since, and it is cooler now than it was then so we have been on a decade long cooling trend. And even inside that decade it has been multiple trends. We cooled for a few years after 1998, then warmed back up in 2002, and have been cooling ever since then.

But if you go further back, the warmest year in the past century was 1935. It was warmer in the 1930s, when our output of CO2 was much lower than it is now. Then there was a cooling trend that started in the 1940s and ended in the 1970s. The main reason they pick the 1970s is that they were at the tail end of a decades long cooling trend that had t...
5-16-2008 11:02 PM
lifecyce1898
Are you an atmospheric chemist?
5-17-2008 12:31 AM
n2sooners
I bet my scientific education exceeds that of the Goracle.
5-17-2008 2:02 AM
jklugman
n2sooners said:

The hottest year in the past half century was 1998.
OK, I see Wilhelm's point now. IPCC graph does show 1998 as the hottest year since 1850.

n2sooners said:

we have been on a decade long cooling trend.
This conveniently ignores the fact that the past decade has been the hottest in the past 150 years.

n2sooners said:

It was warmer in the 1930s
I see no evidence for this, nor any evidence for your assertion that 1935 was the hottest year in the century. The graph shows an upswing in temperatures in the 1930s, but nothing that is comparable to what happened since the 1970s.

n2sooners said:

And if you want to draw that point that the Earth...
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