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1-22-2008 9:05 AM
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egoldstein says:
As long as this remains the case i will remain skeptical that the U.S. government truly wants to end our dependence on oil. That reality basically means that the needs of lobbyists (Big Oil) are considerably more important than the needs of the people. That depresses me a lot!
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1-22-2008 3:46 PM
enbar
That reality basically means that the needs of lobbyists (Big Oil) are considerably more important than the needs of the people.
Kudos for stating the truth, bluntly, in language we can all comprehend... You're right.
1-22-2008 5:12 PM
jatfla
I believe "Big Oil" and ultimately *us* would benefit greatly if the strangle hold that the far-left environmentalists have in our government would loosen it's grip. "Big Oil" has the dollars to invest in research and would do a lot more if allowed. They don't want high oil prices and have themselves held hostage to the world's nuts and fruitcakes.

Our citizens are jumping up and down, begging for the government to unleash opportunities to pursue all alternatives. Just in our state...not refineries, no nuclear, no coal plants. All the while China sets up shop down in Cuba and slurps up the oil reserves right off our own coast.
1-22-2008 8:22 PM
kkcapricorn
1-23-2008 2:53 AM
BobbyRutan
@jatfla

Do you want a coal plant or refinery in your back yard?

That's a laugh that big oil is being suppressed from developing alternative energies with its record profits.
1-23-2008 9:01 AM
jatfla
There has been a workable proposal for a 'coal plant' just 45 miles from our capital. Our city spent $500,000 to research it's prospects. A handful of people here shot it down. That was 2 years ago. Now the plan is being revisited. So how much of the taxpayers money is going to be wasted this time around? These are not your grandfathers 'coal plants'.

And yeah, the oil producing nations are 'laugh'ing all the way towards controlling the economy of the US and even the world.

I'm ready for people to stop their personal crusades and come to some workable solutions. Blaming, campaigning, demagoguing, etc. produces no answers.
1-23-2008 9:31 AM
n2sooners
Unless you are supporting research into new forms of energy AND not wasting resources we have here then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution. There is going to be no miracle cure found tomorrow that will suddenly end the need for oil. It will take time and money and then more time for the technology to become economically feasible. In the mean time we should be drilling for oil that we have here in ANWAR and off the coast of Florida (which the Chinese are going to get if we don't).

Until WE the people start putting pressure on congress to stop taking sides and do EVERYTHING they can then we can expect nothing but continually increasing energy prices with no end in sight.
1-23-2008 9:41 AM
BartendingBear
As I read the jafla and n2 comments, that means that "do everything we can" means opening the door to digging an environmental hole, which in general means bowing down to the entrenched power-players. No, thank you.
1-23-2008 11:13 AM
n2sooners
You are bowing down to entrenched power-players whenever you take sides. Either the environmentalists or the big oil companies. By taking sides you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
1-23-2008 11:39 PM
jatfla
Choose your poison. There are problems/issues on both sides...as is the common dilemma. There is no *perfect* solution. If you have one, propose it to our Congress; they/us need all the help we can get.
1-24-2008 3:36 AM
BobbyRutan
One, we can't produce ourselves out of oil dependency with our own oil and gas, period. That's a pipe dream.

Two, the U.S. government subsidizes the oil industry creating artificially low prices which prevents alternative fuels from being competitive. They alternative fuel producers are being delayed in experiencing both economies of scale and the reduced costs from the learning curve (every time your production doubles your costs on average go down 20%).

Even if coal plants are improved they still are using barbaric practices to rip the tops off of mountains and dump the sediment in creeks and streams forever altering the topography.

Right this very moment the tax deductions for investin...
1-24-2008 3:43 AM
BobbyRutan
Just now reading an article on Texas building 17 coal fired plants. Here's a response to it.

Ranchers near Waco, Texas, oppose the new plants. They worry the pollution will ruin their crops and livestock. Left to right, Ricky Bates, Jo Cervenka, Robert Cervenka, Lewis Pulley, Ruth Pilant, J.P. Harris and Ross Pilant.

Having lived near the area I guarantee you those aren't tree hugging environmentalists. They are the most conservative of the conservative.

More from the article: One emission the federal government does not regulate is carbon dioxide, the primary global-warming gas. The new power plants in Texas will emit the equivalent of 19 million automobiles' worth of carbon dioxide ever...
2-6-2008 5:04 PM
willhelm
You are bowing down to entrenched power-players whenever you take
sides. Either the environmentalists or the big oil companies. By taking
sides you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
You are so right, here, n2sooners. We have seen over and over partisanship and "cause" is more important than moving forward and reality. The economic situation is clear. Where people ignore the economic situation and focus directly on the emotional aspect you have THE problem.

The economic situation DEMANDS that we produce our own oil. Until then, we are controlled by OPEC and their whimsical price manipulation and whisical production. If we drill for our own oil and begin to p...
2-6-2008 5:13 PM
willhelm
By the way, Enbar, the quote you find so truthful from EG, is wrong. General Electric pays more money to lobbyists than ALL oil companies combined. Note about GE: They own most of Enron's alternative energy businesses that focus on wind and solar. The lobbyists have the edge and they are not for "big oil".

Gives you a little perspective behind NBC's Green Week, doesn't it?
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