 thisnamecantbetaken says: P.S. Don't be too surprised if McCain and Palin "win" next week. No matter how unlikely the outcome, the US news media stands ready to pump out a plausible "cover story" to explain the results. - Brasscheck I'll bet they do! Be forewarned. We all know it happened the last two elections and it could very well happen again. In fact, I think it's highly likely, they'll try. They've had eight years to rig the setup even more and I do not see the republicans having any intentions of playing fair, as their campaigning methods and the last eight years have shown. If it should happen, don't let them get away with it. Fool you once, shame on them, fool you twice...okay, there's shame enough to go around.... but three times?? You're either a democratic republic. Or you're not. It's that simple. Americans need to be ready to stage civil actions if McCain and Palin win next week. There is no statistical way they can win now, short of something utterly shocking and monumental. If they win, people have to be ready to march on their town halls, even on Washington itself, if possible, until an honest, clean count of the ballots is taken. Don't stand for voting at rigged machines that don't give any printed confirmation of your vote; look into how the election is being held in your city, and make sure that they are using a method that can be verified with a manual recount. You better believe that the Republicans are rigging those machines to cheat you of your vote. Don't let them do it! ... every reason to be cynical It seems to me that the best way to vote is by post surely? Then at least there is a record of your vote on paper! Mark it down on the calendar. Obama will be the next President. escuse my ignorance, but if he was never elected president, how did he become president? Am a bit dumb about politics! — Comment removed by clipper — bad question shaor. who're you talking about by "he"? If the vote is rigged - how can we claim to still be a democracy? How did we get to this point? Why is there no accountability? Shouldn't transparency in government be a requirement instead of a political promise? I'm not a bush fan either but you conspiracy theorists need to take start taking your meds again. I was talking about your president megamorphg, did I get it all wrong again? if so, sorry You are so behind the times. Haha. Just back from the moon yourself, are we?  Shaor, it's a long story. Corruption, vote-rigging, fraud, you name it. Maybe it would be better if an America explained. Anyone? My moon comment was for burndata btw. Not you, shaor. .  I don't know how they got away with it. I think America was in denial that it could happen to them. Or else they didn't care. I dunno. There is no statistical way they can win now,Can someone explain that to me? It is impossible for McCain to win unless there is voter fraud? Impossible? @thisnamecantbetaken - others. Gosh! Oh no! There is lots of "caring," going on. I hate to 'harp on a theme," but tens and hundreds of thousands of people are working their butts off. Maybe it's just because you don't see them? "The Obama camp initiated its Voter Protection Program [volunteer website] targeting lawyers and law students at the start of the campaign to promote voter education, and it will deploy the volunteers to the polls on election day." http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2008/10/presidential-campaigns-recruiting.php Already 5000 lawyers have been dispatched to Florida as election monitors http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=5042 Also, the Democratic party has "an ... Or it could be that 60% of Americans identify themselves as somewhat or very conservative and no matter how you package your "progressive" swindles, you can't actually get enough votes to be elected. Which is why the past 30 years of liberalism have all been focused on using unelected judges to ram through their agenda. They can't get it actually approved by a majority of Americans. And that includes Bill "never got 50%$" Clinton. It seems to me that the best way to vote is by post surely? Then at least there is a record of your vote on paper!I dropped of my mail in ballot in the ballot box today, in person. Also made scanned copies of the filled in ballot marks. Why waste, gas, (and hopefully productive) time by standing in long lines and get no receipt for your ballot? People never cease to amaze me... Wearing my red,white blue I VOTED sticker as I type this! It is exactly because of Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 that Howard Dean and the DNC instituted the 50-state strategy; never again will election night come down to one state that can be manipulated by a partisan secretary of state who manipulates voter rolls. We see the success of this strategy today - Obama is set up to win Virginia, Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado; he is competitive in Indiana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Montana, Georgia, and even, according to recent polls, Arizona. Before Palin was chosen by McCain, Obama was even polling well in Alaska. It's gonna be too big to steal this time, is my atheist prayer. Too big to steal! Obama is set up to win Virginia, Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado;I'm sorry I'm so ignorant about these things, but what does this mean: Obama is set up to win.? I guess I just don't understand how we can know how a state is going to vote until everyone actually votes. Thank you. By "set up", I mean that if you follow composite polls, like pollster.com and fivethirtyeight.com, Obama is leading in many of these states. Poor choice of words on my part, particularly since the Republicans are trying to convince us that mighty, mighty community organization ACORN is about to steal the election and destroy democracy. Poor choice of words. Thanks for the explanation, Deborah. My fear is that if people vote differently than they polled, it will automatically be assumed that there is fraud. I mean, it's not over until it's over, right? I'm waiting until election day to vote because you never know what might happen between now and then. I get a receipt when I vote, though. @BNM I just heard on BBC, they say, even with the polls and all, McCain still has possibly a 5-10% chance of winning. They are also warning against being TOO sure of an Obama victory. Well, it won't be long now till we know. Only a week to go and I can't wait for it to be over. Only a week to go and I can't wait for it to be over.Me either, and you don't even live here, lol. It's global. You can't escape it. Polls, Obama said this, Palin said that. You change the channel and then it's McCain said this and the polls say that all over again. *sigh*I'm glad our own elections don't take so long. I am waaaay too impatient to be an American. Who cares if 60% of Americans consider themselves to be at least partially conservative? Both the political parties are conservative; America doesn't have a liberal or progressive alternative party other than the Green Party. A vote for McCain OR Obama is a vote for a conservative candidate. Get this through your head, ColoradoRight. I am a liberal progressive. Obama is NOT a liberal. He is NOT a socialist. HE IS A CONSERVATIVE!!. He's just not as radically conservative as McCain. If you are a moderate conservative, then your best match for a candidate is Barack Obama. To summarize: Barack Obama: Moderate Conservative John McCain: Extreme Right-Wing Cons... or the extremists? Congratulations, The REAL Napster. You took a step to make sure that your vote is truly considered, and not twisted away from your interests by either party. Using a mail-in ballot was a very good thing to do. I'm assuming you voted for John McCain? (just taking a stab, based on your comments). Well done. That ballot will be a sure, solid vote for him; not an ephemeral electronic one that can be easily manipulated. Just because it's the Republicans who have been caught/have access to commit voter fraud, it doesn't mean that it's impossible that a radical Democratic voter might not try to commit voter fraud, too. Hopefully, all Americans will take steps to ensure that their vote is not stolen... I'm sorry I'm so ignorant about these things, but what does this mean: Obama is set up to win.? I guess I just don't understand how we can know how a state is going to vote until everyone actually votes.By doing polls; i.e. contacting actual voters and asking how they're going to vote. When was this testimony taken? Why haven't we heard about it before now? Why wasn't this man charged with something since he didn't come out with this sooner? Or was he given immunity for his testimony? Anyone? I first saw the video in the clip years ago. The info is out there, but you have to look for it yourself. The US media is not good at presenting things like that to the public. Barack Obama: Moderate ConservativeI totally agree. Compared to the choices we have here at least. It seems our whole system is positioned much farther to the left. Even what we here call our "extreme right wing" are what Americans have come to call "redistributors" or "socialist" even. .:eek; Programs for the elderly, improved animal welfare, pro-choice etc. NOT American right wing values at all,... Ah, the great steps forward America could have taken, had it been Dennis Kuchinich (a left-centrist) in Obama's place, poised to sweep the US elections. America might even have a chance of entering the 21 Century at last. It's nice to dream, though. It'll be a cold day in hell before the US ever votes in a president that isn't right-wing, though. The best that could be hoped for is the far-off chance of getting in a truly centrist government. Yes, I was extremely disappointed, when both Kucinich and Ron Paul were 'dismissed' off hand, as choices. My hope was, that after seeing exactly what corporate militaristic government will get you, that eight years of Bush which brought that message home big time, would have made it perfectly clear, that corporatism and greed capitalism is NOT a viable long term solution or a desirable method of government for the PEOPLE. The US mainstream media did an excellent job too, of ensuring the corporate status quo of the system. . Ah, the great steps forward America could have takenOh yes! Indeed. If we keep clipping about how good things COULD be, then maybe next time America wi... if he was never elected president, how did he become president?Here's a good video that explains what happened. (14 min) BBC Newsnight - Greg Palast - BUSH election fraud Both parties still have to please lobbyists, corporations and the MIC, if they get in.Oh, don't get me started on that. We need to fire everyone and start over. We need to fire everyone and start over.That would be a good start, yeah. Haha. Naaah, start by not caving in to the politicians, you already have. If, for example, the people say "no to war", stand by it! If your politicians do not listen, you make them listen. Refuse to enlist, strike, protest, march, etc). End the wars and reduce military spending. (More money left for the people) Then take back your media. Without a good honest media, you have no way of finding the truth, but are only served up what the few who own the US media want you to see. You'll end up *toast*. Or broke. Or both. Like you are now.  if you really want somebody to look at your ballot and count it, rather than just stuff it into a machine, you need to vote absentee ballot. Lots of material, above, to consider and I don't think there are any absolute, 4sure, answers or agreements. One thing I've found myself mentioning a lot is: Obama has not won the election. It's not over till it's over. Of course people have opinions but meanwhile Obama is running around everywhere still campaigning, telling people to take nothing for granted, vote, knock on doors, make phone calls, talk to your neighbors and don't stop working till your polls close on election day. --that's the way pros think. My state has very easy voting (for me) and a voting system which we feel confident about and which most other states now use: a paper ballot that is then optically scanned. --- (... P.S. @ Dear Firebrand thisnamecantbetaken Re: your idea: "you make them [politicians] listen. Refuse to enlist, strike, protest, march, etc). End the wars and reduce military spending." That's pretty outlandish. Even worse, doomed to failure, IMO, counterproductive, a misdirection and waste of resources; at least this is the way it has gone throughout all of American history. Even before victory in the American Revolution of 1776, military leader George Washington had to deal with protest and desertions among his troops. At first he was reasonable, but that didn't work. So he had trials and shot a few of them; then the desertions stopped. After World War I there was massive protest lik... Yes, I understand that cbfk and it's terrible when people get hurt or killed, but sometimes, the people just have to stand up for what's right, even if may cost time in jail, injury or heaven forbid death. Here's an example from DK just the other day: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=da&u=http://www.berlingske.dk/article/20081025/danmark/81025004/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=2&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSandholm%2Blejren%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG Here's a better one. (34 have been arrested as of today) http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j9mvjA6q6FCPfIdlmONVPbYz4oTgD941KKD00 If people don't stand up and be counted, when injustice is done, then none of us are safe from injustice. I am not "Firebrand TN" for nothing, you know. Haha. I am used to living in a free and fair country and would like it to remain that way. . Now go shut down Gitmo. I'll wait here. Just kidding, but not really. .  Let me get this straight. So Americans are willing to die in droves in unjust wars, but won't stand up for justice? What's wrong with that picture? .  Caving in to fear and injustice is the reason why Bush was allowed to run wild in the first place. And McCrazy is trying to play the third act of that fearmongering fantasy, to continue the horrible, mistakes and injustices of the Bush administration. And I sincerely thought that Americans were too smart to fall for it a third time. So very sad. So very pathetic, that people are still buying that bilge. If McCain wins we're all toast. More war, more military, more hate, more surveillance, more "war on terror". Anyway, the polls here yesterday said in one round up, that Obama was in front by 10-12%. Another "compilation" says he may be only 2% ahead. Great he won. Gitmo will be close within a month of him taking office. And torture will stop. and troops start coming home from Iraq. And fair taxes put in place after Bush's unfair tax breaks to the SuperRich and WealthyCorporations are ended. And more better and better one step at a time. Well, those are his plans, but he won't be able to enact them unhindered. The Republicans will likely be filibustering every since initiative that Obama and the Democrats start, stretching out something that should only take a month into a task that's a year or more long. Personally, I hope one of the first things he does is strictly reduce the power of the Executive Branch (once he's undone the damage that Bush did), and but checks in place to ensure it doesn't get abused by people like Dubya anymore. Obama's got a long list of things to fix, and Dubya is going absolutely apeshit right now, screwing up more things that Obama is going to have to take time to fix. He's going to be a very busy man. @darkeforce - Totally. I don't envy him his job. But I'm very glad he's there to do it. I sent an email to his new web site, http://change.gov [.gov] ! So I sent an email saying if he needed a ride to a Starbucks or if there was anything I could do; he could count on me. |
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