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6-5-2008 11:17 PM
righthand
MK Uri Ariel also turned to Aharon Franko, commander of the Jerusalem District Police in a demand to cancel the parade's permit. “The existence of the parade is a blatant provocation against millions of Jews, Arabs and Christians around the world,” Ariel said in his letter.
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“The parade contradicts Jerusalem’s spirit and conflicts with the desires of 99% of its inhabitants (according to an official survey.) There is no wonder that it is causing severe turmoil, and is liable to provoke the holy city’s residents yet again."

“Because this is such a special year in which Israel is celebrating 60 years of existence and 40 years to the unification of Jerusalem, a parade like t[b]...
6-5-2008 11:32 PM
ratilfar
The real enemy, extremism.
6-5-2008 11:44 PM
jmjoness
if 99% of the people don't want it then who scheduled it in the first place.
6-6-2008 2:38 AM
righthand
It was to give the impression that Israel was a grown up democracy unlike its Middle East neighbours.

The reality is of course entirely different. Israel is only a pseudo democracy - a democracy closed for some of the indigenous people and yet with citizenship open to to all born elsewhere whose mother was a Jew.

And it gets worse. Suffice to say that the minority that practice the Orthodox sect are fervently anti gay and they have a veto on many of the political decisions made by the mainly corrupt politicians. Yes, this sect controls marriages, divorce, even who may be citizens. It's like the catholic church getting to decide a whole range of issues for ALL Christian churches and the p...
6-6-2008 2:51 AM
tanyamm
Intolerance should not be tolerated anywhere.
6-7-2008 12:27 AM
jmjoness
Intolerance should not be tolerated anywhere
Really, even if 99% of the people oppose homosexuality?! and isn't that intolerance too, not toleration intolerance?
6-7-2008 12:28 AM
jmjoness
tolerating intolerance*
6-7-2008 12:31 AM
jmjoness
It was to give the impression that Israel was a grown up democracy
Since when did opposition to homosexuality make one immature?
6-7-2008 12:36 AM
jmjoness
It's really about there being any bit of democracy in Israel! So, go gay, go. Not me but you if you wish.
Do people not understand what a democracy is? Democracies are ruled by the majority(which is why I think they're wrong in the first place).



And it gets worse. Suffice to say that the minority that practice the Orthodox sect are fervently anti gay and they have a veto on many of the political decisions made by the mainly corrupt politicians.
Again, if 99% of people oppose homosexuality, the argument that a religous minority has hijacked the system to keep gays out is debunked. And why should 99% of the people have to watch a crowd of gays marchin...
6-7-2008 12:57 AM
righthand
Do people not understand what a democracy is? Democracies are ruled by the majority(which is why I think they're wrong in the first place).
Democracy isn't when you artificially create and continue to create an artificial majority.
Democracy isn't when you ethnically cleans the original majority population to create your new artificial majority.
Democracy isn't when every decision made by the resultant artificial state is continued ethnic cleansing primary by importing settlers from every corner of the globe.
Democracy isn't when you impose your archic religious beliefs not only upon your own non religious followers but upon Christians and Muslims,
Democracy isn't when ... ...
6-7-2008 1:39 AM
jmjoness
I assume you're talking about palestinians when you talk about ethnic cleansing. First of all they don't want to be part of the Israeli state, they won't even recognize it's right to exist. Second of all why do people ignore the blatant terrorism against Jews? And thirdly, when talking about homosexuality, if 99% of the people oppose it then "archaich religous beliefs" have nothing to do with it.
6-7-2008 5:19 AM
Smoke TNT
The thing I don't get is why people find it necessary to have a freakin' parade glorifying what hole they put their tongue/junk. Who cares? That "look at me, I'm gay as hell and putting it in your face parade style" stuff is just going to alienate more people against them.
6-7-2008 5:42 AM
jmjoness
The thing I don't get is why people find it necessary to have a freakin' parade glorifying what hole they put their tongue/junk. Who cares? That "look at me, I'm gay as hell and putting it in your face parade style" stuff is just going to alienate more people against them.
EXACTLY. I guess that's the point I had in mind as well. And in Israel none the less. It's backwards, in your face discrimination of other people's beliefs.
6-7-2008 5:44 AM
jmjoness
Democracy isn't when you ethnically cleans the original majority population to create your new artificial majority.
I just noticed this too. Are you accusing Israel of genocide?!?! Do you even know what happend in WWII?? Honestly I can't figure out where people come up with this garbage.
6-7-2008 8:46 AM
righthand
I assume you're talking about palestinians when you talk about ethnic cleansing. First of all they don't want to be part of the Israeli state, they won't even recognize it's right to exist.
For now I'll ignore your total distortion of history to deal with your ethnic cleansing to deal with a continuous Zionist method of dealing with its atrocities. BLAME THE VICTIM. When your killer-sky-jocks rain death down on innocent women and children; when your tanks blast a mother and her 4 babes; when children thrown stones at tanks and are murder; who is to blame. The Zionist say the victims.

Now when 750,000 Arabs are ethnically cleansed, who is to blame. THE VICTIMS!...
6-7-2008 7:53 PM
jmjoness
Apparently you believe that Israel is responsible for the death of 750,000 arabs... I would ask what exactly you're refering to. The blockade on the Gaza strip, or a war? Please clarify instead of being so vague. Also, I was not making an attempt at sick humour, I genuinely didn't know what you're talking about. If I'm ignorant as to an atrocity that Israel has truly commited then I will apologize, but again please clarify what you're refering to. Also, I was not trying to degrade Palestinians by not giving them a capital 'P' letter, please don't make such outrageous assumptions. People are guilty of typos from time to time. Also, if the Palestinians want their own state, then they should re...
6-7-2008 8:06 PM
jmjoness
to a people that the Zionists have treated as less than animals.
Are you referring to the Jewish people as a whole when you say "Zionists"? or a certain group of Jews?? I don't see how anyone could say the Jewish people as a whole have treated Palestinians as "less than animals". But again maybe I'm ignorant as to atrocities that Israel may have commited.
6-7-2008 8:30 PM
jmjoness
down on innocent women and children; when your tanks blast a mother and her 4 babes; when children thrown stones at tanks and are murder; who is to blame. The Zionist say the victims.
Who is to blame when a Palestinian terrorist walks into a place crowded with normal citizens and blows himself up? Who is to blame when Hamas and Hezbollah terrorists fire rockets at innocent people? Tragedies happen in war, there are atrocities and corruption on both sides, but it's wrong to point the finger at Israel but then refuse to hold corrupt Palestinian leadership accountable.
6-7-2008 8:34 PM
righthand
I wrote ...
Now when 750,000 Arabs are ethnically cleansed, who is to blame. THE VICTIMS! With this logic it would be possible to shift the blame for the holocaust away from the Nazis.
You choose to reply ...
Apparently you believe that Israel is responsible for the death of 750,000 [A]rabs... I would ask what exactly you're refering to.
In addition to your Palestine typo error you obviously have a difficulty in reading as well. I clearing wrote ethnically cleansed. You choose to read "the death of 750,000". Then you choose another typo error by using 'a' for Arab. A pattern, I suggest. Are you racist?

What chance have I of giving you history ...
6-7-2008 8:49 PM
jmjoness
In addition to your Palestine typo error you obviously have a difficulty in reading as well. I clearing wrote ethnically cleansed. You choose to read "the death of 750,000". Then you choose another typo error by using 'a' for Arab. A pattern, I suggest. Are you racist?
You apparently have a difficulty with explaining yourself. You also insist on taking everything I type out of context. I am not racist, stop making such pathetic attempts at changing the subject.
6-7-2008 8:56 PM
jmjoness
If you were a regular ClipMarks user
That has nothing to do with you giving references to what exactly you're talking about. Since you refuse to, I looked up Nakba myself. It seems to me that it was , again, corruption in the leadership of both Israelis and Arabs, with both sides claiming different stories. It was a civil war fought without the scrutiny of unbiased sources of information. It is wrong to point the finger at Israel and continue to blatantly ignore the corruption and atrocities commited by Arab, Muslim and Palestinian leaders, and ofcourse vice versa.
I clearing wrote
Should I assume that you are incapable of spelling??
6-7-2008 9:02 PM
jmjoness
And should I assume that you are a racist since you obviously insist on blaming everything on Jews without even acknowledging the crimes committed by Arabs?!
6-7-2008 9:12 PM
jmjoness
Now when 750,000 Arabs are ethnically cleansed, who is to blame. THE VICTIMS! With this logic it would be possible to shift the blame for the holocaust away from the Nazis.
And since you drew a comparison between "Zionist ethnic cleansing" with the holocaust, obviously I assumed you meant that the Zionists cleansed the other ethnicities by killing them, since that is what happend in the holocaust when the Nazis killed six million Jews.
6-7-2008 9:27 PM
righthand
Obviously I assumed you meant that the Zionists cleansed the other ethnicities bykilling them,
Why on earth would you obviously assume that ethnic cleansing would involve killing. If you didn't know why would you not Google instead of displaying ignorance. In case you cannot Google, I've done it for you.
Ethnic cleansing refers to various military policies or military practices aimed at achieving security during war through displacement of an ethnic group from a particular territory. The term entered English and international media in the early 1990s to describe civil war events in the former Yugoslavia.
See, displacement NOT death.
6-7-2008 11:49 PM
jmjoness
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I would ask what exactly you're refering to. The blockade on the Gaza
strip, or a war? Please clarify instead of being so vague. Also, I was
not making an attempt at sick humour, I genuinely didn't know what
you're talking about. If I'm ignorant as to an atrocity that Israel has
truly commited then I will apologize, but again please clarify what
you're refering to
I made it obvious in this statement that I was ignorant to what you were refering to. I kindly asked you to clarify yourself, instead you chose to attack my intelligence and drag things i said out of context.

Now when 750,000 Arabs are ethnically cleansed, who is to blame. THE VICTIMS! With this logic it wou...
6-7-2008 11:54 PM
jmjoness
But enough of these stupid games. The only point I was trying to make is that I'm sick of people pointing to the Jews and screaming "murderers" and then turning around and ignoring the obvious atrocities and corruption of Palestinian, Muslim and Arab leaders. Nothing will change in the middle east until these people are held accountable, instead of ignored.
6-22-2008 11:45 AM
con ken
this whole thread is nothing but hate...

no i do not care for homosexuals my self, most just creep me out..

back in the day, usa would put them on the front lines during the war to get rid of em..

to march in Jerusalem is disgusting, but it will happen... too many gay in power in usa now. and if Israel still wants money from usa, that is the reason why it will happen, nothing to do with gay rights.. its all about power and money...
6-22-2008 3:51 PM
jmjoness
no i do not care for homosexuals my self, most just creep me out..
I find homosexual behaviour uncomfortable, but I certainly don't harbor any kind of hate or malice toward the individual. There are other types of behaviour that I'm uncomfortable with too, it's no different.

back in the day, usa would put them on the front lines during the war to get rid of em..
I'm not sure I agree with this at all... Definitely the first time I've heard anyone claim that one. And what do you mean by "back in the day"? You agree with that idea??!!

to march in Jerusalem is disgusting, but it will happen... too many gay
in power in usa now. and if Israel still wants ...
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