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4-17-2009 9:42 AM
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AtlLiberal says:
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Once it is understood that atheism is merely the absence of belief in any gods, it becomes evident that agnosticism is not, as many assume, a “third way” between atheism and theism. The presence of a belief in a god and the absence of a belief in a god exhaust all of the possibilities. Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not.
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4-17-2009 11:34 AM
googleit
"Agnosticism is not about belief in god but about knowledge — it was coined originally to describe the position of a person who could not claim to know for sure if any gods exist or not."

Well I guess we're ALL Agnostics then? I have no real proof. Do you? Does anyone?
4-17-2009 12:28 PM
wiccantexan
Agnostic: "I don't know whether there's a god(s) or not. Maybe, maybe not."

Atheist: "I don't believe there are any god(s)."
4-17-2009 12:40 PM
AtlLiberal
@WT
Exactly right. In the same vain that I don't believe there are monsters under the bed or Santa lives at the North Pole. Monsters under the bed I can know for sure since I can look under the bed to find out. I have neither the resources or inclination to go to the North Pole so I am more agnostic about Santa. Yet that doesn't mean I believe in him. I'm still pretty much an a-Santaist.
4-17-2009 1:03 PM
googleit
I'm a toothfairiest. We believe all healthy white teeth go to Heaven. All rotten teeth go to hell. SO tis best to brush atleast than 3 times a day.
4-17-2009 2:22 PM
wiccantexan
The only issue I have with either of those is when someone gets militant about it (i.e., "if you believe in a Deity you're deluded, ignorant or otherwise not an intelligent, rational person who just has a different view."). I have issues with ANYone who's militant about their viewpoint to that extent.
4-17-2009 4:35 PM
JohnWaterman
A group of academics and researchers at the faculty of Divinity at the
University of Cambridge, and at the University of Oxford have put together a site called Investigating Atheism. I haven't really explored it in depth yet, but here is one of the definitions they discuss.

The exact meaning of 'atheist' varies between thinkers, and caution must
always be shown to make sure that discussions of atheism are not working at
cross purposes. Michael Martin, a leading atheist philosopher, defines
atheism entirely in terms of belief.[1]
For him, negative atheism is simply
the lack of theistic belief, positive atheism...
4-17-2009 4:52 PM
wiccantexan
Well I guess we're ALL Agnostics then? I have no real proof. Do you? Does anyone?
It's not really about proof. It's about whether what a person chooses to believe about the existence of a Divine being, by whatever definition, makes sense to them in terms of their own personal experience and outlook on life.

I don't have proof that a Divine exists. I see creation around me, all the unexplained wonderous things that nature does that science cannot yet explain but still happens. And the existence of some sort of higher power simply makes sense to me, so I choose to manifest that in a religious context. I don't really concern myself with "proof" for anyone else becau...
4-17-2009 7:16 PM
AtlLiberal
It's not really about proof.
Well, that's not exactly true. How about changing that to evidence? It's a fact that I can't prove one way or another that gods or a god exists yet the lack of evidence (any evidence at all) seems to point to god or gods not existing. It has nothing to do with making a decision on my part. If someone claims that they've invented a perpetual motion machine anyone would ask for evidence of that claim. If none exists then it would be strange for someone to still believe the claim for the existence of this perpetual motion machine. Continued belief in the non-existant machine would be viewed as a sign of gullibilty or ignorance (as ignoring the evidenc...
4-18-2009 10:18 PM
wiccantexan
And what gets me excited is the unknown. It is the food for inquisitive
minds. Finding out the answers, though extremely difficult at times,
is, to me, infinitely more satisfying than the "God did it" answer.
I feel the same way. May I point out that you're still replying from the Abrahamic God stance of "it's God's work" rather than a broader spectrum of religion that believes "there is a higher power that affects this process."

Whether there is a higher power or not IS unknown. But simply believing that the possibility makes sense to me, and I choose to honor that idea, is not quenching the inquisitive mind. In fact, it stimulates me to go deeper into the mysteries of life that I might not otherwise contemplate.
4-18-2009 11:46 PM
AtlLiberal
Whether there is a higher power or not IS unknown. But simply believing
that the possibility makes sense to me, and I choose to honor that
idea, is not quenching the inquisitive mind. In fact, it stimulates me
to go deeper into the mysteries of life that I might not otherwise
contemplate.
WT, I have no problem at all with that. I suspect that you feel no need to make others accept your way of looking at things and wouldn't feel compelled to enact legislation to force people to adhere to your worldview.

As far as my outlook being based on a particular sect or tradition that's not exactly correct. I mention it and base my argumentation on it because the vast majority of peop...
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