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3-4-2008 11:38 PM226 views
merrie says:
Hillary wins in Ohio, Rhode Island, Obama wins Vermont
So now all those calling for Hillary to withdraw
after the primaries and caucus (TX), will think before they talk.
Huckabee withdrew from the Republican
campaign effort, as expected.
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3-4-2008 11:58 PM
willhelm
I may be missing something, but it looks to me like there is no way the math, as far as delegate counts go, will put her ahead of Obama.
Even if she wins everything tonight she should still withdraw from the race. Am I wrong ?
The longer she stays in, it just looks as though she wants to override the voters at the convention. If she loses Texas and stays in, she is seriously evil.
Then again, I am not so hot at math.
3-5-2008 12:30 AM
merrie
Hillary has a gap of about 100 delegates last
time I looked at the exit polls Obama 1345 to
Clinton 1345. I don't understand the primary and
caucus rules in Texas and it slow going at this point.
1,119,000 Clinton 1,067,000 Obama, so far. Hillary's
new chant in Ohio is "Yes we will" I love that!
3-5-2008 12:32 AM
merrie
Ooops correction
exit polls Obama 1435 to
Clinton 1345
3-5-2008 12:42 AM
merrie
A member of Clinton's team mentioned Super-delegates.
She could possibly make the case that now the "big states" are beginning to break for her.
This could turn into more donations for her.
That would be to McCain's benefit, if Obama wins the
nomination (or maybe not)
3-5-2008 12:46 AM
n2sooners
Right now CNN has the delegate count at 1419 Obama and 1333 Clinton. There are 126 delegates tied to the Texas primary (not sure if it is winner takes all or not), and there are 67 tied to the caucus (seems Texas democrats have both a primary and a caucus). If it is winner takes all, those 126 could put Hillary in the lead. Either way, with a difference of less than 100 and a candidate needing something over 2000 delegates to win, Hillary would be a bit crazy to throw in the towel at this point. Especially with the huge win in Ohio and the problems starting to catch up with Obama (including his wife's mouth). I see this one going all the way with their funky rules including super delegates and all.
3-5-2008 1:03 AM
jatfla
Does this seem fishy to anyone else but me? Hillary has a 'surge'...in Texas??
3-5-2008 1:13 AM
willhelm
Look, People. I do not see any way for her to win.

Do the math with this gadget.

You would have to come up wiht the most unlikely scenario to even get her close to winning.
3-5-2008 1:21 AM
willhelm
Basically she will have to win everything the rest of the way by a 60/40 margin just to gain a slight edge. Now, that is if the calculator is accurate.
3-5-2008 1:58 AM
merrie
Fox News just make remarks about a legal show-down
for Michigan and Florida, and Harold Ickes name came
up! This could bad consequences for the Democratic
Party.

Slate's calculator
Obama has the pledged delegate lead, but will need at least 338 superdelegates to reach 2,025.

I see this one going all the way with their funky rules including super delegates and all.
They're gearing up for a fight, if a "worse case" happens.
Hillary definitely needs to win Pennsylvania to try for the superdelegates.

3-5-2008 2:12 AM
merrie
Does this seem fishy to anyone else but me? Hillary has a 'surge'...in Texas??
Obama has been talking about pulling out of the NAFTA
agreement and Hillary has talked about revamping it,
to make it more equitable of the US. Border towns in Texas
like NAFTA, so that could have worked to Hillary's
advantage.
3-5-2008 3:15 AM
willhelm
Merrie , did you project the rest of the races in the calculator and see how insurmountable her task?
3-5-2008 5:12 AM
merrie
Merrie , did you project the rest of the races in the calculator and see how insurmountable her task?
No, actually I've been listening to the reports on FNC
as they've been developing. There are those who admit
that it would be a Herculean effort for Hillary to win the
nomination. But, her fortunes could shift dramatically
once the media stop giving Obama a free ride and also, by the time the Pennsylvania primary comes up (5wks) the Rezko trial should be in full tilt. The wild card with the Democrat's nomination scheme is the superdelegates (which is pretty crazy) and that could change the numbers. I haven't really bother to research how they work, but once the big fight begin...
3-5-2008 7:22 AM
merrie
Karl Rove is talking on FNC about Pennsylvania and said
that Gov. Rendell will most likely back Hillary, as well
as the Mayor of Philadelphia. He also said, Bill's job is
"to do no harm" to Hillary's campaign.

Now Hillary is telling the Fox & Friends hosts, "You know
I really am a human being" (she looks like she's ready to
crash out) They're analyzing the confluence of events that
occurred to help her surge. Now she claims she'll release
her tax-returns in April. It's been interesting, anyway.
3-5-2008 9:35 AM
n2sooners
Hillary doesn't need to win, she just needs to do well enough to keep Obama from getting an outright win and drag this thing to the convention. Then it will be free for all where political connections could determine who will win the nomination.
3-5-2008 10:38 AM
bignosemousie
It sure it exciting to watch it, though. I really didn't think Hillary would take Texas, but here I am eating my hat.
3-5-2008 2:20 PM
willhelm
You guys should take a look at the calculator linked above. It is a really cool gadget.

LOL. You would think I'm trying to sell it to you.

However, it clearly shows that it is basically impossible.

The only intention I can see for her staying in is to make the case of "buyers remorse" at the convention and force superdelegates to override the will of the democrat voters.

I just will never understand why the Left have such a problem with democracy.
3-5-2008 2:23 PM
willhelm
I just will never understand why the Left have such a problem with democracy.
What am I saying?
I've made some stupid comments at Clipmarks but this is the stupidest.

Of course I understand why they have a problem with democracy.
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