Epic fail, Billpar. The US created that terrorist by putting him in Gitmo in the first place.

Once again, the US proves to be the biggest source of their own problems. Maybe if they thought about that before they kidnapped people from their own countries and locked them away with no rights, no criminal charges, and no hope. Most of the people in Gitmo who actually were given a real trial were found to be innocent; just random people picked up as they were fleeing a battle in their own back yards. But after the imprisonment and torture at the hands of the US, you better believe they now have a very good reason to hate the US.

So long as Gitmo exists, the US will continue to create more and ...

Epic fail, Billpar. The US created that terrorist by putting him in Gitmo in the first place.

Once again, the US proves to be the biggest source of their own problems. Maybe if they thought about that before they kidnapped people from their own countries and locked them away with no rights, no criminal charges, and no hope. Most of the people in Gitmo who actually were given a real trial were found to be innocent; just random people picked up as they were fleeing a battle in their own back yards. But after the imprisonment and torture at the hands of the US, you better believe they now have a very good reason to hate the US.

So long as Gitmo exists, the US will continue to create more and more terrorists who hate them. Cheney was clever; in creating Gitmo, he created a self-fulfilling prophesy of doom against the US.

The US prisons are more than capable of holding American-born monsters and murderers; some disenfranchised foreigners who have had their wills broken will be perfectly secure in them.

It is amazing how you will contort yourself to try to blame the US for everything and proclaim violent jihadists as innocent victims. By your logic, John McCain and hundreds of others held captive in far worse conditions than Gitmo would have been planting roadside bombs to kill North Vietnamese and others after their release.

I'm not saying that they don't have a reason to hate the US after being detained, but most of the Gitmo detainees were picked up in terrorist training camps.
Why were they in terrorists training camps to begin with?
There may not be sufficient evidence to convict them, but they are not said to be innocent.

If they are so innocent why won't their own countries tak...

It is amazing how you will contort yourself to try to blame the US for everything and proclaim violent jihadists as innocent victims. By your logic, John McCain and hundreds of others held captive in far worse conditions than Gitmo would have been planting roadside bombs to kill North Vietnamese and others after their release.

I'm not saying that they don't have a reason to hate the US after being detained, but most of the Gitmo detainees were picked up in terrorist training camps.
Why were they in terrorists training camps to begin with?
There may not be sufficient evidence to convict them, but they are not said to be innocent.

If they are so innocent why won't their own countries take them back? Yes, there are some who will be tortured in their own countries, but why won't any other countries take them?

If Obama thinks they are so innocent, maybe he could place them in jobs at his daughters school or maybe you would do that if you have kids? Then I would take you more seriously on this topic.

It's not a contortion. It's linear logic. Your problem is that your mind is so twisted by lies and propaganda that you can't see the clear truth in front of you. You don't get it. Many of the kidnappees in Gitmo were not Jihadists, but rather just innocent people (and children!) trying to escape the death and destruction. For many of them, their only crime was being unlucky enough to be caught on a battlefield that they had no part of. It's a lie that they were picked up in terrorist training camps. Those prisoners were housed in Afghanistan and Iraq. The people in Gitmo were mainly people that the US didn't have a solid charge of terrorism/insurgency against. That is why they were kept in l...

It's not a contortion. It's linear logic. Your problem is that your mind is so twisted by lies and propaganda that you can't see the clear truth in front of you. You don't get it. Many of the kidnappees in Gitmo were not Jihadists, but rather just innocent people (and children!) trying to escape the death and destruction. For many of them, their only crime was being unlucky enough to be caught on a battlefield that they had no part of. It's a lie that they were picked up in terrorist training camps. Those prisoners were housed in Afghanistan and Iraq. The people in Gitmo were mainly people that the US didn't have a solid charge of terrorism/insurgency against. That is why they were kept in limbo, with no formal charges being levied against them. They were kidnapped from their countries.

Yes, John McCain could have very much turned extremist against Vietnamese, but Vietnam was not invading America, so he had no opportunity to do so. If they had been, I would have had no doubt that he would have blown up Vietnamese troops as part of the resistance against the invaders.

Why won't their countries take them back? Maybe because they've now been conditioned into hateful extremists, thank to America's "kind" handling of them.

Nice strawman in that last statement. That is the reason why I, and anyone with sense, will not take you seriously. You have been suckled at the teat of hate, intolerance and ignorance, and thus your opinion is reeking with those attributes.

Do yourself a favour. Turn off FoxNews. Watch the BBC or CBC, or listen to Radio Free Air. You are twisted by biased "news-based entertainment" that tries to present itself as real news.

Typical Republican; ask for something ludicrous, and then act smug when people tell you it isn't likely to happen. These people were not threats to America when they were kidnapped, but thanks to the horrible, inhuman way that Americans treated them, they very well could be threats now. Once again, America creates its own enemies.

But you are blithely ignoring the fact that these people are not being released freely in America. They need to be transferred to American jails — which are perfectly capable of housing America's much more dangerous home-born murderers and monsters, so some poor men and boys with broken wills are no threat whatsoever. They will then be given fair trails, and if fo...

Typical Republican; ask for something ludicrous, and then act smug when people tell you it isn't likely to happen. These people were not threats to America when they were kidnapped, but thanks to the horrible, inhuman way that Americans treated them, they very well could be threats now. Once again, America creates its own enemies.

But you are blithely ignoring the fact that these people are not being released freely in America. They need to be transferred to American jails — which are perfectly capable of housing America's much more dangerous home-born murderers and monsters, so some poor men and boys with broken wills are no threat whatsoever. They will then be given fair trails, and if found guilty, will serve their term, and then be deported back to their country of origin, just as has always been the case in the US. If they are found innocent, then the US can face the civil suits that those people can file for the horrible way they were treated, and then those innocent ones can go anywhere they want in the world. Considering how America treated them, the US is likely the last place they would want to stay.

It's easy to make up ludicrous, exaggerated ultimatums, but it takes some brains to actually think about the situation realistically, rather than just letting the right-wing nutjobs do your thinking for you.

America is the #1 cause of it's own woes. If you don't want most of the world hating you, stop voting in deranged Republican Neocon Presidents.

Yes, they were picked up on the battlefield. Do you know what there are a lot of on battlefields in urban settings? Innocent civilians. The JAG at the time admitted that many of the kidnapees in Gitmo were only picked up because they were on a battlefield, and perhaps had picked up a weapon; most likely either wanting to defend themselves, or preventing a freedom fighter or American soldier from picking it up and killing more people with it. The former JAG also said that some of those so-called "training camps" were really refugee camps.

Now is tha...

America is the #1 cause of it's own woes. If you don't want most of the world hating you, stop voting in deranged Republican Neocon Presidents.

Yes, they were picked up on the battlefield. Do you know what there are a lot of on battlefields in urban settings? Innocent civilians. The JAG at the time admitted that many of the kidnapees in Gitmo were only picked up because they were on a battlefield, and perhaps had picked up a weapon; most likely either wanting to defend themselves, or preventing a freedom fighter or American soldier from picking it up and killing more people with it. The former JAG also said that some of those so-called "training camps" were really refugee camps.

Now is that supposed to be some sort of slur against President Obama? Put up or shut up. Show your proof.

Okay, so attacking our government institutions with bombs is okay if no one happens to get killed?

If someone with a truckload full of explosives and plans to detonate them near a federal building is caught are they not a terrorist because they are stopped before the bomb is detonated and people are killed? I guess the FBI would have to wait for the bomb to go off and hope someone gets killed so that they could prosecute the individuals responsible.

You make no sense. The reason your whole argument is a strawman is because whether Ayers is guilty or not, Obama didn't tell the truth about his relationship with Ayers.

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Okay, so attacking our government institutions with bombs is okay if no one happens to get killed?

If someone with a truckload full of explosives and plans to detonate them near a federal building is caught are they not a terrorist because they are stopped before the bomb is detonated and people are killed? I guess the FBI would have to wait for the bomb to go off and hope someone gets killed so that they could prosecute the individuals responsible.

You make no sense. The reason your whole argument is a strawman is because whether Ayers is guilty or not, Obama didn't tell the truth about his relationship with Ayers.

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Silly, silly boy. Ayers didn't do it for the purpose of intimidating anyone. If you had actually read his book, you would understand that. He did it as a protest against the fascist actions of his own government. Thus, it was not a terrorist act. No one was there to be terrorized. Terrorist acts require victims.

Yes, it does say it all. Bush is a war criminal and a fascist. Ayers is a misguided citizen trying desperately to get his issues with the government into the public eye. Ayers over Bush, absolutely.

Yes, I do criticize Obama for sending in more troops, but I understand why he did it. He was handed a shit sandwich of a presidency after all the damage Bush did to America and the worl...

Silly, silly boy. Ayers didn't do it for the purpose of intimidating anyone. If you had actually read his book, you would understand that. He did it as a protest against the fascist actions of his own government. Thus, it was not a terrorist act. No one was there to be terrorized. Terrorist acts require victims.

Yes, it does say it all. Bush is a war criminal and a fascist. Ayers is a misguided citizen trying desperately to get his issues with the government into the public eye. Ayers over Bush, absolutely.

Yes, I do criticize Obama for sending in more troops, but I understand why he did it. He was handed a shit sandwich of a presidency after all the damage Bush did to America and the world, and he's having to take hard, painful steps to clean it up.

You can bitch about what Obama is doing, but like receiving an immunization shot, it may hurt and suck now, but it's going to be for your best in the end.

Now we know where you are coming from: Fascism, Individualism and Shadenfreude "Patriotism"; things that have been destroying America the past 40 years.

see how much effort he put into making sure the bomb would only go off when there was nobody in the building?

Tell that to the family of Sgt. Brian V. McDonnell

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Grathwohl also testified about an unsuccessful Weatherman bombing in
Detroit, which he said Ayers had planned to be executed when the
maximum number of people would be present:

Grathwohl tipped off police to this latter plot, and they cleared the
area. When they finally found the Detroit bomb, it was unexploded. It
contained 13 sticks of dynamite with an M-80 firecracker to detonate
them, along with a burnt-out cigarette.

In 2008, author David Freddoso
commented that "Ayers a[b]...

see how much effort he put into making sure the bomb would only go off when there was nobody in the building?

Tell that to the family of Sgt. Brian V. McDonnell

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Grathwohl also testified about an unsuccessful Weatherman bombing in
Detroit, which he said Ayers had planned to be executed when the
maximum number of people would be present:

Grathwohl tipped off police to this latter plot, and they cleared the
area. When they finally found the Detroit bomb, it was unexploded. It
contained 13 sticks of dynamite with an M-80 firecracker to detonate
them, along with a burnt-out cigarette.

In 2008, author David Freddoso
commented that "Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of
government misconduct in collecting evidence against them".[30][32]

Ayers was also widely quoted after this saying "Guilty as Hell, Free as a Bird, America is Great..."

Photoshop is a photo editing program. Those were scanned text documents from testimony before the Senate Subcommittee Oct. 18, 1974. If someone wanted to fake a text document they wouldn't need Photoshop, just a word processor and maybe a scanner to give it that photocopied look.
But, you can find the documents for yourself here at the National Criminal Justice Reference Service (Part of the US Dept. of Justice).

http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=29285

But who am I kidding? You are an "Ayer-head" apologist for Bill Ayers, someone who tried to destroy the Federal Gov't, so you probably wouldn't recognize this as a legitimate source either.
It's funny how you try t...

Photoshop is a photo editing program. Those were scanned text documents from testimony before the Senate Subcommittee Oct. 18, 1974. If someone wanted to fake a text document they wouldn't need Photoshop, just a word processor and maybe a scanner to give it that photocopied look.
But, you can find the documents for yourself here at the National Criminal Justice Reference Service (Part of the US Dept. of Justice).

http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=29285

But who am I kidding? You are an "Ayer-head" apologist for Bill Ayers, someone who tried to destroy the Federal Gov't, so you probably wouldn't recognize this as a legitimate source either.
It's funny how you try to be more insulting the more evidence I show, yet you offer no evidence yourself... just insults. So, who is simple?

Okay, whatever. If logical means reinventing the dictionary to meet your agenda.

Bush made some bad mistakes, and he didn't do himself any favors in articulating (or NOT articulating) his policies, but he kept this country from a major attack for nearly eight years and during that time the economy recovered after 9/11 and had steady and strong growth up until his last few months in office. Obviously, the mortgage crises was a very complicated problem that was compounded by the loose lending practices encouraged by many prominent members of Congress, Fannie & Freddie, Goldman Sachs and the incestuous orgy of money and corruption that still goes on today between big business and Congress. ...

Okay, whatever. If logical means reinventing the dictionary to meet your agenda.

Bush made some bad mistakes, and he didn't do himself any favors in articulating (or NOT articulating) his policies, but he kept this country from a major attack for nearly eight years and during that time the economy recovered after 9/11 and had steady and strong growth up until his last few months in office. Obviously, the mortgage crises was a very complicated problem that was compounded by the loose lending practices encouraged by many prominent members of Congress, Fannie & Freddie, Goldman Sachs and the incestuous orgy of money and corruption that still goes on today between big business and Congress. If you were outraged at Halliburton, you should look at what Goldman Sachs has gotten away with under Dems & Republicans alike and what they continue to get away with regarding the bailouts. They are gaming the Cap & Trade plan to make a killing off of it while the rest of us suckers suffer. If you haven't read it, you really should read this article in Rolling Stone by Matt Taibi...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29127316/the_great_american_bubble_machine/4

The article pretty much ignores the role of Barney Frank and others in gov't who pushed banks to make bad loans, but it's still a great in depth article on how much we're all getting screwed by some of these big banks and our greedy politicians.

BTW, I couldn't have disagreed with Bush more on these bailouts. Regardless of what party you belong to we all need to vote the bums out who are letting them get away with it.

If you think Bush kept you safe from anything, then you are definitely a "Bush-Head" Bush did nothing. His entire effort was spent trying to bullshit fake evidence to justify his invasion of Iraq; something he failed to do, despite resorting to outright torture. Existing law enforcement that was in place long before the existence of Bush's Bureaucratic Bozo Bureau was what kept people safe of the very few threats there were. We can say that Bush made it unnecessary for terrorists to perform any other attacks, because he kept Americans scared and disrupted more than any terror attack, so yes I suppose that you can say that he kept you safe, in the same way that a robber keeps you safe from th...

If you think Bush kept you safe from anything, then you are definitely a "Bush-Head" Bush did nothing. His entire effort was spent trying to bullshit fake evidence to justify his invasion of Iraq; something he failed to do, despite resorting to outright torture. Existing law enforcement that was in place long before the existence of Bush's Bureaucratic Bozo Bureau was what kept people safe of the very few threats there were. We can say that Bush made it unnecessary for terrorists to perform any other attacks, because he kept Americans scared and disrupted more than any terror attack, so yes I suppose that you can say that he kept you safe, in the same way that a robber keeps you safe from theft by stealing everything of value that you have so no one else can steal it.

"The country recovered from 9/11"? The economy wasn't affected at all by 9/11. It was just an event in a single city, and despite the overblown media response, the only real effect it had on the economy was a very brief technical depression in the markets that cleared within a couple of days. Bush did absolutely nothing yet again. You're attributing Bush with achievements that required no action whatsoever from the president. You can make anyone look good that way.

All in all, Bush did nothing but harm to the economy with his senseless tax cuts and obsession over keeping up profits for his war profiteer buddies. And yet you chose to admire the worst president in American history.

Definitely a Bush-Head.