debbyski says: "Parsley claims that Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" predicated on "deception." The Muslim prophet Muhammad, he writes, "received revelations from demons and not from the true God. And he emphasizes this point: "Allah was a demon spirit." Parsley does not differentiate between violent Islamic extremists and other followers of the religion" Parsley, who refers to himself as a "Christocrat," is no stranger to controversy. In 2007, the grassroots organization he founded, the Center for Moral Clarity, called for prosecuting people who commit adultery. In January, he compared Planned Parenthood to Nazis. In the past Parsley's church has been accused of engaging in pro-Republican partisan activities in violation of its tax-exempt status." I guess breaking the law is not really immoral. My guess is that if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, McCain will be the President. There are millions and millions of these same type of folks in America, not very many like Obama's Pastor. You know who, rightly or wrongly wins that contest. So you had better hope Hillary by any means gets the nomination if you don't want McCain! Yance, Although I support Hillary for many reasons, I am of a differing opinion. I feel as though if Hillary gets the nomination then McCain will probably win for the reasons you just stated. There are millions and millions of those type of folks here in America and it would take a Hillary to get them organized and out for the vote. But hell, I could be wrong. I was wrong once before. So we are regressing to a country that wants to enter into religious wars. "Parsley claims that Islam is an "anti-Christ religion" predicated on "deceptionSo what? He advocates that we no longer support religious freedom? The reason the Pilgrims came here in the first place. Methinks if anyone is receiving revelations from demons it's : (multiple choice) A. George Bush B. John McCain C. Rev. Parsley D. All of the above Debby, I didn't think I understood what you were saying. But what you mean is that the evangelical folks won't vote if Obama is the candidate? Is that correct? Anyone can be wrong. NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll March 7-10, 2008. Asked of Democrats, and non-Democrats who said they would vote or have voted in a Democratic presidential primary (from a total sample of 1,012 registered voters nationwide). "Who do you think would have the better chance of defeating John McCain in the general election in November: Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama?" Obama 48% Clinton 38% Other 1% Neither 2% Unsure 11% Well, that means more people do not think Obama has the better chance. I happen to think a real election is different than an imaginary one. You can't even do math. Unsure does not go into any column. More people think Obama has the better chance. Glad to see that you don't support Hillary's claims of winning Florida and Michigan. That's refreshing for once and shows that you are growing. Hillary did win those two states. She proved she was ready from day one because she DID NOT take for granted anything including that America's enemies will play by the rules and showed that one must not limit ones options in a world that does not function by rules. It should, but it doesn't and the President must work with the reality! Your quote: I happen to think a real election is different than an imaginary one.Those were not democratically held elections. You can claim they were elections but they were not democratically held ones. She has taken for granted that she was the anointed one. She failed to take seriously states that the Obama campaign has not. Anybody who is that cavalier was never ready. Those were not democratically held elections. You can claim they were elections but they were not democratically held ones.Anyone that wanted to vote could vote. That is as democratic as it can get. I know, voters didn't educate themselves or care enough to bother. Boo Hoo as someone might say but too bad because Hillary's voters did do their job. She does not have unlimited funds or time. She did not ignore states because she thought she was the anointed one. You are just saying things f... I just don't think they will be able to whip them into such a frenzy as they would with Hillary. As you know Yance, I was wrong once. I just don't think they will be able to whip them into such a frenzy as they would with Hillary.That is certainly the conventional wisdom. It may be correct. Certainly Hillary wins the being hated derby hands down. I admit that I was really shocked to find out Democrats would do the same thing as the Republicans only they are doing it to one of their own, maybe I mean one of their own I mean, Satan might be who a lot of Democrats think she is. Oh well. My guess is that Hillary is handicapped with her campaign because of the social norms that Democrats adhere to, limit her response possibilities. The Republicans won't have a base that is susceptible to being held hostage th... What the hell is a spiritual advisor? How can anyone advise anyone else on someone elses spirit? Everyone's is different. I have reservations on someone that even thinks they need a spiritual advisor. I may have been wrong in the past; frankly at the moment I am too tired to remember or care.Get some rest honey. Hey yance, what are the response possibilities that Hillary doesn't have that she should have? I don't believe Hillary is Satan, I just believe she is a candidate who cannot realistically catch the current winning candidate and whose continuance further empowers the party of Karl Rove and George Bush. You know the party that has smeared and knee capped Hillary for the last 20+ years........ the party you plan to vote for in November. Can you even be taken seriously? I don't believe Hillary is Satan, I just believe she is a candidate who cannot realistically catch the current winning candidate...Nice to know that you really love her and think she's a lovely gal. Only I think that someone just says whatever they imagine will sound the most useful at the moment. Rationalization. You mean like you being concerned that Obama would overturn Bush unconstitutional executive orders, yet you have no concern of including delegates from elections where there was no campaign, voters didn't turn out because they were told the results wouldn't count, and other contestants didn't have their names on the ballot. You're laughable. Have fun voting for the the republicans who have smeared Hillary and knee capped her for the last 20+ years. I wonder what your journal entry will look like that night, "My dearest Hillary, I hate Obama so much , I voted for the party who said you had Vince Foster killed. I received such a rush pulling the lever for the party of Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld." Hey yance, what are the response possibilities that Hillary doesn't have that she should have? What is a spiritual advisor? Is this an astrology thing? What kind of wacky shit are we expecting from presidential candidates? Perhaps we should review the job requirements because someone that cant govern themselves should not be governing a country. You mean like you being concerned that Obama would overturn Bush unconstitutional executive orders, yet you have no concern of including delegates from elections where there was no campaign, voters didn't turn out because they were told the results wouldn't count, and other contestants didn't have their names on the ballot. Get some rest honey.Ha, thanks, I have. Now I remember, I have been wrong before and more than once, but not as often as I really was. Yance, you had made your decision to vote for Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh and Donald Rumsfeld before you came on clipmarks. Anyone with such crappy logic as that can't be convinced to act in a logical manner. "Dear Hillary, I am writing to tell you how I honored you today with my vote for the republican party. You remember that time in 2002 when they jammed the phone lines in New Hampshire blocking the Democratic-get-out-the-vote effort disenfranchising thousands of voters. Those were good times weren't they? It makes my heart swell to have voted for John Ashcroft who placed curtains around that disgusting nude female statue of the Spirit of Justice. It's all for you Hillary!" Hey yance, what are the response possibilities that Hillary doesn't have that she should have? If Hillary got crucified for daring to mention that Lydon Johnson might be a player too, solely because the truth hurt the feelings of Blacks, then there are are tons of possibilities available for the Republicans because they don't play that touchy feelly PC BS. She wasn't crucified for mentioning that Lyndon Johnson was a part of the civil rights she was taken to task for diminishing the role of Martin Luther King in the Civil Rights Movement. And why was that even relevant in the campaign? Just thinking about your defense against sexists as you pull that lever for John Ashcroft and the republican party who believes that the woman's body is so vile that you have to cover the Spirit of Justice statue with curtains. Hillary will be so proud of you. Oh boo hoo, Blacks were diminished by learning that Lyndon Johnson was a player, a President of the United States and a damn powerful Congressman. Suck it up babies! No, that apparently LBJ was the main player. That it couldn't have happened without him. Of the two, more integral to the Civil Rights was definitely Dr. Martin Luther King. Once again was the relevance to the campaign for Hillary to even have made this statement? It would be the same if someone had said, "Now women let's not get carried away with the life long struggle of Susan B. Anthony. I mean after all it wouldn't be squat without a man in the White House to enact the legislation." No, that apparently LBJ was the main player. That it couldn't have happened without him. Of the two, more integral to the Civil Rights was definitely Dr. Martin Luther King.So in your world it's OK to diminish Lyndon Johnson and not OK to diminish King. In case you don't know it, Blacks also diminished him while he was alive. You might also think about Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers. And Rosa Parks. And countless others both Back and White and Brown and Jewish and who knows who, without which King wasn't a mosquito on a raccoons back! I personally have always given great credit to the Panthers in California who marched into the State Legislature carrying riffles but b... And you make my point, what was the purpose of Hillary Clinton to subjugate anyone in the effort as having to have relied on the other. I have never said that it would be fair to diminish LBJ. I think it is fair to reflect history as most prominent historians see that the events unfolded. How was it that John Edwards, who was still competitive at that point in the campaign felt compelled to say this "I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Rev. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician." Once again I ask you, what relevance was this to our national campaign that Hillary had to comment the way that she did? what was the purpose of Hillary Clinton to subjugate anyone in the effort as having to have relied on the other.It doesn't matter what the purpose was.(and she did not subjugate anyone so stop with the Hillary is a bitch nonsence) It doesn't change the fact that opportunist cry babies used her truthful statements to play the race card. And only an idiot would not understand what her point is and only a demigod would abuse the situation the way the Obama campaign did. And only a fool would think that Obama has anything like the standing of King. King actually did things you know and put his life on the line. Obama has done nothing except get lucky thanks to what others di... I'm discussing Hillary as a human. You are the one stooping to use the "bitch" terminology. Where did I say Barack Obama is Martin Luther King? However, he did turn down the wealth that would have been easily obtainable as a magna cum laude graduate of Harvard Law School to work as an organizer in Chicago. Obama has shown a willingness to work across the isle with republicans when the legislation betters our country like the transparency legislation he and Tom Coburn wrote (by the way, why hasn't Hillary disclosed her earmark appropriations?). Obama has consistently outperformed Hillary in polling against John McCain. He has won contests from Wyoming to South Carolina to Maine attracting ... I'm discussing Hillary as a human. You are the one stooping to use the "bitch" terminology.No Bobby it is you that time and time again use false and sexist language. You said what was the purpose of Hillary Clinton to subjugate anyone in the effort as having to have relied on the other.Definition of subjugate: 1 : to bring under control and governance as a subject : conquer 2 : to make submissive : subdue This is a common chauvinistic tactic to belittle powerful women as bitches. It is what you do; I merely point out the obvious. Uh in your perusing of the dictionary you may want to give some thought to the sentence structure. It is a man (Martin Luther King) being subjugated to another man (Lyndon Baines Johnson). Nice try though. You really are desperate. So now are you now calling John Edwards a sexist. After all he said, "I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Rev. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician."And if you are a crusader defender of womens rights I can hardly see how it is you are going to willfully vote for the republican party In November. Look at how Tonya Melich, author of "The Republican War Against Women", des... Uh in your perusing of the dictionary you may want to give some thought to the sentence structure. It is a man (Martin Luther King) being subjugated to another man (Lyndon Baines Johnson). Nice try though. You really are desperate.I knew you'd make that excuse. You probably even believe your own excuse. Now you are claiming Hillary said that Johnson conquered King. Shades of slavery. You just get more and more out there. Yes, the sentence structure was terrible, but either way you read it, you are saying false things. Nope. Said that Hillary minimized MLK's role relative to LBJ's role. Historians see it the other way around. Edwards sees it the other way around, "I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Rev. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician." Yeah, me and John Edwards and historians, ...... wwwaaayyyy out there. Surely you don't even take yourself seriously. Hey yance, when you vote republican this November, are you going to admit it to the female relatives and friends in your life? Nope. Said that Hillary minimized MLK's role relative to LBJ's role.No you didn't Bobby. Oh well. The word diminished was used several times, minimized was used by no one. But you reached for the word subjugate just like you reached for "naked ambition". But she didn't diminish, she didn't minimize and she didn't subjugate. And people ought to be a lot less cry baby because someone says something that hurts their little feelings. Because this PC BS cry baby stuff is just a nasty way to grab power by playing the victim. Yance, there is a thing called a thesaurus. You should really investigate what one is. I do interchange words that have basically the same meaning. I know that's alarming. Were you talking into a mirror on that last part? I guess John Edwards is a liar? "I must say I was troubled recently to see a suggestion that real change came not through the Rev. Martin Luther King, but through a Washington politician."Has Hillary been playing the PC BS cry baby playing the victim role for the last 20 years, or is there really a smear campaign against her by the republican party which you plan to vote for this November? Karl Rove wants to know. Wow, the above debate sure did get wayyy of topic What is a spiritual advisor? Is this an astrology thing? What kind of wacky shit are we expecting from presidential candidates? Perhaps we should review the job requirements because someone that cant govern themselves should not be governing a country.I agree skwirl. I think it has more to do with McCain trying to prove he's not a screamin liberal. He had to pick somebody after he lost Hagee. I think the whole race is a joke. For one thing, we only had about 6 people who had a real chance of winning their party's nomination to choose from. Not to mention we're not really voting for individuals anymore, we're voting for political parties and their ideals. Definition of insanity: doing the same thing and expecting the same results. We keep electing the same political parties and expecting different results. *Definition of insanity: doing the same thing and expecting different results sorry for the typo there |
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