 jstates1 says: The United States of America is not a Christian nation in the sense that it has an established state religion. It is not a Christian nation in the sense that it's citizens adhere to the Christian faith. But it was, and remains, a nation founded upon Christian principles, for Law is simply a standard of conduct (or morality, if you will) that citizens must abide by, and the Founders saw in the Scriptures the most secure foundations for the laws of the American nation. Certainly, there were some deists, some atheists, and some reprobates amongst the Founders of this nation. Why is it that we hear of these, while the memory of the men of God among the Founders has been largely extinguished? That's what I've found too. Excellent clip and wonderful quotes, thanks! But it was, and remains, a nation founded upon Christian principles,Strange. I haven't found a single Christian principle upon which our Constitution was based. Please, gentlemen, show me which Amendment to our constitution is based in religion OR any gospel of Jesus Christ? Please. Just one. Please? one? I asked willhelm the same thing...silence. Gentlemen, I know how much you want to claim America for your religion. But that's not what the founding fathers wanted. They had already seen the tyranny of religion based governments. Take a look at the theocracies even today (Iraq, Iran and half the middle east). Do you really want to see America turn into a nightmare of... Strange. I haven't found a single Christian principle upon which ourLook here. I believe that is not one, but twenty-one different examples. Are all these quotes from dying declarations? @jstates1 Let's take the first one: "Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state, or sovereignty of man" Our Constitution begins with "We the People..." and relegates NO authority to any god or religion. And that "we the people" are "by the people" and "for the people". This FIRMLY establishes authority of and by the people! The biblical references are in support of a god authority. Where does our constitution support a god authority? NOWHERE! In fact it does the opposite! Did you even bother to read these? jstates1, take a closer look at these, please. You'll find none of them match the constitution in meaning or intent. Not one! Constitutional checks and b[b]... You are liar AL, I have commented to you innumerable times on the facts, going back several months. You choose to ignore the facts. I have also clipped a dozen, or so, clips on the subject over the past couple of weeks. Quit your lying and please leave my name out of threads where I have not commented, you coward !!!! Did you even bother to read these? jstates1, take a closer look atEr, you're right. I was actually searching for something else, but found that site instead. At a glance, it looked like the same thing. Ok, I guess I'll actually have to do some work...  Founding Fathers said: George Washington said: The Founding Fathers said: The Drunk Founding Fathers said: Samuel Adams said: Overheard Founding Fathers that said: Well, that is what you expect from George's Bush Yuk, Yuk, Yuk Wow. You just lost about 1000 respect points there, skwirlinator. Take them all- I really don't care, really You are liar AL, I have commented to you innumerable times on the facts, going back several months. You choose to ignore the facts. I have also clipped a dozen, or so, clips on the subject over the past couple of weeks. Quit your lying and please leave my name out of threads where I have not commented, you coward !!!!Up top you say you HAVE commented; then at the bottom you say you have not. I'll provide the link that settles it in just a moment. But here's your strategy. You give an opinion and label it FACT as if that makes it one. How sad. I've asked you repeatedly to give any single Amendment that is based on religion or the bible or the [... Given your represetation of my views, it is painfully clear you are quite a confused individual. Still doesn't answer the question, does it? (Which is exactly as I said before.) Back to the old "attack the person instead of answering the argument" tactic, eh? I understand. When caught in a lie, change the subject. Religion and government, the Founders' views: Read this. I'm tired of typing, so I'll just reference stuff... Facts are too "simplistic" jstates. It has never been the job of the Christian apologist to turn unbelievers by dint of personality or argument, but to inform their minds so that God's Holy Spirit can illuminate them in His time. willhelm, don't be discouraged if people reject you for speaking truth; Christ said that they would hate us as they hated Him. But make sure it is truth that you are speaking. It is probably more profitable to pray for someone's soul than it is to argue with them. Excerpt of a Ben Franklin quote: "And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest." The rise of Materialism from the mid 19th century to the present makes this Franklin quote rater prescient. willhelm, don't be discouraged if people reject you for speaking truth;I am certainly not, jstates. I've been here a long time. It is probably more profitable to pray for someone's soul than it is to argue with them.So true. Nicely said, jstates. Doesn't help when you confuse yourself with the Almighty. What doesn't help, and who's confusing who? I'm confused... Uh , Jstates, I think Ratitatat is referring to me. You know that part you said about being better to pray than to argue. Well, you see, I don't really argue. I just present facts and Ratitiat doesn't take kindly to that or my points on his abilities. Oh, but I do pray. But,when asked or challenged, I answer the call and give an accounting. As is demanded. Ladies and Gentlemen, Which Constitutional Amendment is based on religion, bible, or gospel of Jesus? After all this time...it is apparent that the answer is NONE. In light of the truth, your clichés mean nothing. Good day. I already knew this - anyone that has read the amendments and the constitution knows this - What is funny is how ate up everyone gets over the issue when the documents are available to view for free. I think you are all silly LOL I did have some funny quotes tho! jstates1 I was referring to this: Christ said that they would hate us as they hated Him.And besides, this is not about hate or the Willhelm, stating the fact that the U.S. is a secular country (in law and organization) its the crux of the argument, is it not? Oh and let me check the the maps of the solar system... Just a sec here.... Earth, Luna, Sol.... and nope, the Earth still does not revolve around the Willhelm, even if his ego has the necessary mass and gravitational pull to make it so, or at least he thinks it does. Oh crap, to many "the" there.... Ladies and Gentlemen,Don't get your hair in a knot; I haven't gotten around to looking at that question yet... Which Constitutional Amendment is based on religion, bible, or gospel of Jesus?Which of the following of America's core defining principles is based on religion, bible, or gospel of Jesus? Republican democracy Separation of powers Federalism The process of amendment Religious freedom Freedom of speech, assembly, press and petition Protection from search and seizure Trial by jury Protection from cruel or unusual punishment Equality of all people under the law Which Constitutional Amendment is based on religion, bible, or gospel of Jesus? After all this time...it is apparent that the answer is NONE. In light of the truth, your clichés mean nothing.Yes, I know, I am coming into this thread late. Even so, "after all this time" I will give the skeptics one more chance to respond. As for one example, the concept of federalism is distilled from the workings of subsidiarity. Read some Locke or Montesquieu and then read some Aquinas. If you did so, you yourself would refrain from the cliched coments that have made up your posts to this point. The Old Testament's society, where each of the twelve tribes of Israel has partial autonomy over its own region, is similar to the American model of states. However, there is a notable dissimilarity as well: the Bible envisions membership in a tribe as hereditary, whereas states are made up of free collections of individuals who can move around at will. In any case, some sort of hierarchy is unavoidable in any organization too large for a single person to directly oversee. Take them all- I really don't care, reallyNice.  UpHey there, Slim. Are ye daft? It was obvious he meant ("at the top") that he had commented to you in the past. On other clips. Then, he meant ("at the bottom") that he had not commented on THIS CLIP. And he did not appreciate being talked about in a clipthread where he had not commented. Why was this not clear? For any reason other than that you have a hyoooge hard-on for bashing Wilhelm since you'd seen it done and figure consensus tells you that you can get away with it. Ya know, once upon a time it was the strange, odd not... |
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