Who thinks this is a good reason to remove an account?

This was from the administrators?

9-7-2008 1:53 PM

silvanaraihane

good for you willhelm! we are behind you on this!!

9-7-2008 2:09 PM

enbar

No way. That's not right. I posted my comment on this to the original clip you referenced.

9-7-2008 3:48 PM

LOL, we are visitors here. If you don't respsect the site you should be banned. Stop expecting rights. The only rights we actually have is the right to leave.

9-7-2008 3:56 PM

chadwill

Just curious if they were doing to compare it to Marx or if they were merely abbreviating?

9-7-2008 4:12 PM

egoldstein

It's meant as a comparison to Marx and it's been used repeatedly lately in comments by a handful of users on the site. I find it inappropriate and personally offensive to me and the rest of the Clipmarks team.

9-7-2008 4:12 PM

brazilnut72

This ultimately depends on what you are trying to do with Clipmarks.

I, for one, have always appreciated the efforts of the administrators of Clipmarks in not letting the debate descend to the depths of...say...Digg.

Another thing I like about Clipmarks is the fact that for the most part the people here--on both sides of the political divide--are ones with whom I would like to sit down, share a Coke, and chew the fat. I guess I have two main thoughts about the subject at hand:

1. I would suggest that the administrators not try to act as umpires. This will open them up to charges of unfairness from both sides. I don't think there are any winners to that game.

2. To those of us "clipp...

9-7-2008 4:48 PM

It's meant as a comparison to Marx and it's been used repeatedly lately
in comments by a handful of users on the site. I find it inappropriate
and personally offensive to me and the rest of the Clipmarks team.

Who are the handful of users?
Have you threatened to remove the account of those "others"?
Why do you not care about others who are personally offensive in other ways?
Why is it OK to call someone a wife beater in this forum?
Why is it OK to constantly harass by following up the comments of those on the right by accusing them of being trolls?
Why do you leave comments on your clips that were lies and that I kindly asked you to remove? Is that the action of someone who c...

9-7-2008 5:36 PM

"It's meant as a comparison to Marx and it's been used repeatedly lately
in comments by a handful of users on the site. I find it inappropriate
and personally offensive to me and the rest of the Clipmarks team."

Groucho or Karl? Look, I think Clipmarks is a terrific site! I enjoy it like I haven't any other social networking site, bar none. But "social networking" to me means having a wide range of opinions to read. That's what makes it interesting.

As for Willhelm, I believe I have disagreed with almost everything he's ever written. He's opinions suck and I believe they are completely askew, but I am a follower of his. Why? You may ask. Because he keeps me honest. ...

9-7-2008 5:38 PM

But your "bigness" in more than just size, comes from LETTING THE little stuff slide.

9-7-2008 5:47 PM

compliment to your work is USING the forum you provide

(I really need to learn to type.)

9-7-2008 6:58 PM

silvanaraihane

well I agree with willhelm, I hope he deletes some of you for your bad remarks! it IS offensive to him and the rest of the team who do so much for us, and may I remind you, it IS his site! we are guest's so behave yourselves!

9-7-2008 6:58 PM

We still disagree, but it is definitely more clear in my own mind the
"why's and wherefore's" of my disagreement with my opinionated
opposites, like him among others here.

That is an excellent point, boniface. Clarity is more important than agreement.
I always say here at clipmarks that my agenda is pointing out the clarity of the disagreement and NOT seeking agreement. I am firmly confident in my intellectual travels as I have been where you are.

If everyone were interested in seeking clarity of the disagreement rather than being frustrated why someone else will not agree with you, then dialogue can move forward. This is a great problem of the intellectually immature Lef...

9-7-2008 7:03 PM

well I agree with willhelm, I hope he deletes some of you for your bad
remarks! it IS offensive to him and the rest of the team who do so much
for us, and may I remind you, it IS his site! we are guest's so behave
yourselves!

silvanaraihane, It is time for you to change your mind because this IS NOT my site. It is only my clip.

If it were my site, I would allow someone to characterize how they want. I would remove the accounts of those who harass others by posting personal information on other clippers and engage in stalking-like activity. But NO, eg is more concerned that someone might hurt his own feelings.

9-7-2008 7:20 PM

Here is another motto that I think would be helpful to the ignorant and logically incapable Left: I could be wrong about everything I believe, but just because I could be wrong does not mean it is reasonable to think that I am.

9-7-2008 9:41 PM

There are so many harassing people here who constantly make snide remarks and downright false accusations. Seems to me willhelm goes out of his way most of the time to avoid any major conflicts but he will not take being controlled by a small group here, neither will I and these certain individuals know this and purposely go after willhelm hoping to get a response.

Willhelm is not a troll, everyone with a little gray matter knows who the real trolls are, hell just go back and look through some of the more trash comments with high numbers, you'll see a pattern of remarks and almost always the same individuals baiting and harassing conservatives. Seems a segment here at CMs can literally ...

9-7-2008 10:17 PM

jatfla

Add me too. I love coming here to see what the latest clips are, the variety, the banter. But I am definitely in the minority which is not unexpected. When a site decides who can post clips and whose comments are over the top and/or comments are offensive, there goes the freedom of the site. What I've had to learn is to just not be sucked into responding to things that are so offensive to ME! That's hard.

I believe Clipmarks has morphed into something that may not have been the original intent, but it has a huge reputation and many who want to use it.

9-7-2008 11:20 PM

hitchhiker08

I'm with willhelm. Reasons below:

In this speed age we generally/subconsciously abbreviate a lot of words to reduce time. It has its advantages/disadvantages in day-to-day life as you may not have everyone understand,' brb, lmao, rofl.' I've heard of kids who've used some of these in their examinations with disastrous results! I personally use 'x' for 'boox' and may have accidentally created a trend at my workplace as a lot of people have followed suit!
So I think its petty grounds to be sounded off or removed from a site one has contributed to in his/her own way.

Moderators may have a right in terms of moral policing if one spams, uses expletives, but not otherwise. I generally do...

9-8-2008 12:28 AM

Conservatives do not get an even break here, we can not make one damn
comment here without getting dumped on by a select few and they in turn
accuse us of being the culprits.

What is lacking here is fairness plain and simple.

If the first part is true that does not mean that what is lacking is fairness. I don't consider myself liberal or conservative. I have some traits and beliefs that are clearly conservative or liberal but I don't embrace either "ism" completely.
To me this site seems to be set up in a very fair manner. All play by the same rules. All are subject to the same few restrictions.
I don't see anything in the set up that favors liberals over conser...

9-8-2008 12:44 AM

ericw

Well said tommy2balmy.

9-8-2008 2:42 AM

tanyamm

I don't like getting personal, but Silvan, please change your wording because you do not speak for me.

9-8-2008 8:41 AM

djkraz

I'll second w's remark, well said tommy...

I have a question... Why is it so hard to believe that the talk about banning is nothing to do with what side you are on but is about how you put people down. I've tried to explain before that I am not on the left nor the right and take offense to anyone saying that the "cm team" has a leftist mission. Just because ericg does the "moderating" on the site and he may be on the left absolutely does not dictate what we as a company have in mind for this site. If you can't accept that then you know nothing about us and should probably take a step back and think for a while. Maybe even go back in the clips and learn a little about each of us.

9-8-2008 9:27 AM

That being the case I would expect that conservatives would feel ganged up on as far as comments go. But that is not unfair.

If it was 80% conservative then the liberals would be the ones who felt overwhelmed by comments from "the other side."

I should have said all non liberals. Regardless of the percentage differential, a few can really dictate bad behavior which reflects upon the whole. If it were 80/20 in favor of conservatives over liberals, I do not believe they (liberals) would get treated the way they treat non liberals. It is unfair regardless of who holds the most numbers. Ten people trashing instead of simply disagreeing with one who does not sh...

9-8-2008 9:47 AM

how dare you constantly refer to it as Clipmarx

I forgot to address your main concern Eric, funny this one comment regarding the site offends YOU but you overlook all other remarks and behavior others feel are offensive.

9-8-2008 9:56 AM

I would not like to see the site being monitored like we are all preschoolers where one slip of the keyboard would mean banishment. It would be very dull around here without some jabs and colorful language up to a point. However that point constantly is passed and just winds up a slug fest of bad behavior on both sides.

One can counter one's opinion with a jab or two or call me a moron if they like but at least have an ending to it. It's like a tag-team match of who can trash the most many times.

9-8-2008 10:06 PM

Why is it so hard to believe that the talk about banning is nothing to
do with what side you are on but is about how you put people down.

"how" being the definitive word. Thank you.

The "how" is obviously in the matter of your perceptions alone and those perceptions and resulting environment tend to suggest starlkingphoto is correct in his OPINION!. This is the point, for cryin' out loud.

9-9-2008 3:35 AM

Aqualung1000

Ban the buggers! It seems there is a lack of respect everywhere you turn these days. People seem to THINK that their personal rights are more important than any societal ones. I think that in some way the internet is to blame for depersonalising a lot of our inter-reaction. Or maybe not-who knows what the cause is but the attitude is much more prevalent than in days gone by. Wow does this ever make me sound old. lol

9-9-2008 10:12 AM

LOL, smoke TNT is trying to get banned.

9-9-2008 10:57 AM

LOL, smoke TNT is trying to get banned.

Doing all he can it looks like.
Then we can hear how "unfair" the man would grants us the priviledge to use his site for free is.

9-9-2008 11:04 AM

CarnivalBorn

You know what, it seems fair enough to me. If it were my site, and I felt continuously disrespected on it, I would consider doing the same.

9-9-2008 1:14 PM

Smoke TNT should know there's a difference between making a political statement and just trying to be a prick.

9-9-2008 2:40 PM

sparlingphoto

O.K., then how about The People's Republic Of ClipMarks.....

9-9-2008 3:31 PM

NonStatQuo

Willheim.... you and I have no rights here, we just visit. The folks who have the rights to monitor and govern this place are the people who own the website. You and I, and other users are just visitors. If you or I were on the board of directors, or invested capital, then, of course, it would be a different story.
But gee, just think, you were "allowed" to protest the concept of removal of the account and not dismissed by those who operate the site. How cool is that?

9-9-2008 5:38 PM

ColoradoRight

good call out. The very act of disagreement seems to be more than some can tolerate. But then the "society" that is wished for is one where everybody is free to think in the approved manner.

9-9-2008 5:56 PM

egoldstein

You know what Smoke TNT. Your complete lack of respect...no, your blatant disrespect for me and this site makes you unwelcome here.

I have been patient and open about the issues we've been dealing with. I have listened and contemplated and resisted doing anything.

But to post a comment in this thread whose sole purpose is to mock and disrespect me and Clipmarks has brought me to the point that i no longer wish to allow you to participate here.

Obviously my hope is to have as many people as possible use Clipmarks. And if this decision causes anyone else to leave, i am sorry about that. But in order to grow in quality and quantity there has to be boundaries.

9-9-2008 6:00 PM

egoldstein

In case it isn't clear, the account of Smoke TNT has been removed.

9-9-2008 7:26 PM

Willheim.... you and I have no rights here, we just visit.

NSQ, I have made this same exact comment, almost word for word. However, this is not the point. This issue is not about rights. It is about bullying. It is about shutting up someone's opinion. Clipmarks has always pretended to be something that it is not and my right to have that opinion is not a matter of fairness or rights. It is only to point out the fact of the matter.

My question was not about rights. I have only asked here in clipmarks and elsewhere if this is a reasonable reason to terminate an account given the harrassment and threats that are a normal course here at clipmarks. Egoldstein has never removed a...

9-9-2008 7:40 PM

Wilhelm said

If it were my site, I would allow someone to characterize how they
want. I would remove the accounts of those who harass others by posting
personal information on other clippers and engage in stalking-like
activity

Posting personal information on other clippers I understand and would agree could be punished by banishment but I was wondering if you would expand upon what you refer to as stalking-like activity that you feel would reach a banishment level.

9-9-2008 9:08 PM

katsteevns

Maybe egoldstein is offended that people are categorizing Clipmarks as Marxist.
Personally, I detest being categorized as often happens hear, not to mention all the name calling that goes on.
In my opinion, if you have to call someone names or categorize them,it is usually intended to be hurtful. What's the point of that?

We are here to inform and entertain eachother, not to bite eachothers heads off.

If you want to hate someone, put on a uniform and go to the Middle East. But don't forget to bring your balls with you,cuz you'll need them.

9-9-2008 11:59 PM

swampfoxz

But gee, just think, you were "allowed" to protest the concept of
removal of the account and not dismissed by those who operate the site.
How cool is that?

I could not agree more with this statement.Clipmarks is an extremely liberal and tolerant platform for discussion.I don't know how I missed this thread,but I am glad to add my 2 cents.I would like to say that in any discussion,there should be a certain honor and respect,especially when it comes to religion,politics and basic human rights and freedoms(tapered with responsibility).While I admire Marx and Mill,Machiavelli and other political philosophers,I give credit to the platform and it's administrators for this opportun...

9-10-2008 1:56 AM

Rustee

No, not a reason in my opinion.

Willhelm's "offense" is in the realm of ideas. It's not a linguistic vulgarity. It's not an attack. I thought the standard protocol when you come across something you disagree with in a clip, is to make your own clip that refutes it, certainly not banishing those who dare have a differing perspective. This reaction only supports his case...which ironically if followed through, would be deleted into oblivion as well.

9-10-2008 4:16 AM

katsteevns

those who dare have a differing perspective.

Is that what the banishment was about? No, I don't think so.
I think it may have been that the clipper in question had a vindictive streak he would not reign in. That's my understanding.

There is a difference between having a differing perspective and trying to pound that perspective into people's heads repetitiously .

9-10-2008 5:04 AM

RecordSage

I totally agree with egoldstein for being offended. Clipmarks is useful & well executed, marxism is neither.

9-10-2008 8:00 AM

Rustee

Clipmarks is useful & well executed, marxism is neither.

See, now that's going to be offensive to those who subscribe to Marxism. I've seen 9/11 conspiracy clips on occasion; I find those offensive. Should we ban those too?

9-10-2008 9:03 AM

Ban everything back to the stone age! Better yet, lets discuss banning until we are blue in the face.
My point is, its their site, their rules - period.
You don't like it go find somewhere else to play. This is all about pride. They asked him to cease and desist and he won't. If you think you have all rights here you misunderstand what ownership is. This is their creation and we are only permitted to use it as long as we play by what they deem as fair. So far they haven't asked very much but when they ask I say they should get what they want. Its not really that much and it all seems silly to me. But if they wish it - let it be so.
I say apologize and don't slander them again, then clip-on.

9-10-2008 9:04 AM

You don't piss off the Clip-Gods without reprecussions.

9-10-2008 2:16 PM

RecordSage

marxists can go use their own tool if they get offended here. skwirlinator is absolutely right and so is egoldstein.

I believe the expression fitting this perfectly goes something like this "don't spit into the well - you may have to drink from it".

9-10-2008 9:04 PM

Again. This has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of Clipmarks founders to control the site however they choose. Absolutely nothing! As usual some of you are beating your heads over a non-issue.
I've never seen anyone one get offended by calling Fox News, Faux News. In fact, egoldstein himself has bashed Fox News, while imagining in his delirium that Huffington Post is substantive.

This is only about one person's opinion. A clever play on words that does have much validity. Evidenced by the intolerance of egoldstein. Marx would be very proud.

9-10-2008 9:15 PM

arifsali

ClipMarx like Groucho Marx? He was a funny guy, Clip-Marx is also a fun-ny place.

9-10-2008 9:25 PM

This has absolutely nothing to do with the rights of Clipmarks founders
to control the site however they choose. Absolutely nothing! As usual
some of you are beating your heads over a non-issue.

The name of this clip is-
Who thinks this is a good reason to remove an account?

Only the founders have the ability to remove an account.

How then does this clip have absolutely nothing to do with the rights of the founders to control the site however they choose?

9-10-2008 10:36 PM

It was about being reasonable. Besides, I think I am satisfied that most across the political spectrum believe that it is not reasonable to be so petty. I just wish they would have spoken out on this clip. Oh well, that is the result of fascist brown-shirting.

By the way , tommy, why will you not repeat what smoke TNT said? Why will eg not reveal it. You said it was a slur. How so? Are you sure it was not another clever joke?

I think it would be helpful for everyone to know. Are you stallin'?

9-10-2008 11:40 PM

LOL, Stalin, OMG thats funny!

9-11-2008 8:22 AM

I think it would be helpful for everyone to know. Are you stallin'?

Ah, some clever word play is that what you call it Wilhelm?
People vary in what they consider to be offensive. I am not at all offended by your remark.

Do you recall posting the following?

If it were my site, I would allow someone to characterize how they want. I would remove the accounts of those who harass others by posting personal information on other clippers and engage in stalking-like activity.

I'll stick to the standards you set and NOT harass others by posting personal information on other clippers. A remark that triggered an account to be removed because it was considered personally offensive is by definition personal.

9-11-2008 5:51 PM

katsteevns

That's GOTTA hurt!!

9-11-2008 7:35 PM