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7-4-2007 10:21 PM
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Kore7 says:
One thing is clear from our searches for ET - there is nobody transmitting strong interstellar beacons in our local vicinity. If "they" are out there, they are keeping quiet, prompting the question that they might know something we don't.
Listening for transmissions from space is rational; intentionally announcing our presence to unknown civilizations borders on irresponsible. On Earth, radio technology and nuclear weapons were invented within only 50 years of each other. Any civilization with the capability to receive and understand our beacons will likely have figured out worse.

Humans are bad enough at co-existing as it is without near constant war. Could you imagine being forced to enter foreign policy negotiations with another species like our own? It would be calamitous.
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7-4-2007 10:30 PM
Kore7
The Nobel Prize-winning American biologist George Wald takes the same view: he could think of no nightmare so terrifying as establishing communication with a superior technology in outer space.
7-5-2007 12:13 AM
The REAL Napster
Listening for transmissions from space is rational; intentionally announcing our presence to unknown civilizations borders on irresponsible.
Since the invention of the radio (and broadcasting in general) this planet has been sending out radio waves into deep space.

Voyager mission aside, all the noise we are making here will be picked up by some other civilization somewhere. The only caveat is, we may be long gone before they get here.
7-5-2007 6:52 AM
mike_law
Who cares anyway, if we were to be taken over then we get taken over. There is no point sitting and waiting because it's just a waste, this planet will die soon anyway might as well explore as much as possible. And even if we were taken over there is always trying to survive or outlast it, Maybe!!
7-5-2007 7:24 AM
tabsey
Pessimism and paranoia aside, there are a lot of possibilities. The other point is course; Have they already been. As the future is unknown, the likelihood of aliens being 100/1 at an English bookmaker, we can only look to the past (though I enjoy a good fantasy about aliens. MIB great).
Try this link http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa011402a.htm
As K7 hopes, so do I. Friendly aliens are much preferable to humans. Imagine GW in charge of a whole lot of armed robots. More friends than he ever had.
7-5-2007 12:33 PM
Kore7
TRN, great points. From the article:
Radio waves from Earth, from TV and radio broadcasts and from powerful intercontinental military radars are leaking out into space....Drake points out that our present terrestrial radio telescopes, if placed on nearby worlds, would be unable to detect these transmissions at distances beyond a few light years.
While it is too late to do anything about the century's worth of leaked signals that have left our planet, it would at least be very difficult to detect this weak backdrop of chatter by accident.

Our world is in no shape to deal with the socio-political ramifications of alien contact right now, so blasting concentrated "Look at me!" si...
7-5-2007 2:12 PM
sidegik
No, because we have many aliens on this world.
7-5-2007 9:15 PM
invictus
I watched a discussion on BBC World, on this very subject tonight. When asked, if sending out material into outer space with info on where we are, brings us risk or not, a senior astronomer from SETI gave an interesting example:

Think about the Native Americans of the early 15th century and imagine them saying "We must be very careful. Make no noise, send no ships to the ocean. Otherwise, white men from the other side could find us and invade our land." If there are alien civilizations far more advanced than us, and if they do consider invading our planet, they'd do it, regardless of us sending clues to them or keep quiet.

It was a very interesting discussion and I agree with the SETI guy...
7-5-2007 9:33 PM
The REAL Napster
For example they may say "We are bringing a far better administrative system to manage and share the resources of your planet, because you are very primitive, selfish creatures running a disgusting primitive administration. We'll teach you how to be more civilized. Oh, we'll take some of your resources too, btw. Sorry guys but this how the things work in the universe, you know."
True. OR they could view the entire human race as a threat to the universe and just exterminate us all on first contact. If they can travel millions of light years and arrive to find the sorry, disgusting mess that we call life, they might just do that. Since they probably could, that is.
7-6-2007 12:01 AM
Kore7
Good analogy with the contact between the Old World and the New World, Invictus.

One difference between the two situations is that, being on the same globe, the New World conquerors were bound to stumble upon the Americas sooner or later through simple random exploration.

Whereas space is so vast and habitable planets so few and far between, I can't envision any civilization thinking it worth the effort to do a brute force search through the entire galaxy, hoping to stumble on life. Listening for electromagnetic activity from afar is the only feasible method to systematically hunt for proof of intelligence. (Short of being lucky enough to catch a drifting space probe and trace its trajecto...
7-6-2007 11:16 PM
syncopath
" The universe is such a huge place, that if we are the only ones ...... it is such a waste of space"
(from the movie Contact)
7-8-2007 8:34 PM
invictus
(from the movie Contact)
= originally by Carl Sagan ( The Message)

Totally agreed.

See my latest clip on this subject.
7-9-2007 12:23 AM
egil1313
The search for anything is a good idea...

The act of seeking firsthand knowledge of a hypothesized condition, entity, threat, resource etc. is in itself a show of strength, resolve, and above all, intelligence.

Caution is born of reason.

Inaction is born of fear.

Moreover, any species that is in the business of, and capable of pillaging other worlds/societies has necessarily been at it for a good long while...very unlikely that cowering in ignorance will deter the discovery of our home, and/or our total VAPORIZATION...had to say it.

Great debate..

Great discussion.

9-11-2007 6:12 AM
ouyangwulong
Funny, actually, that we always presume that any alien life will be more advanced than us. Even Sagan talks about us as "the youngest children of the universe." Why is that necessarily the case? Doesn't it stand to reason that if alien life was more advanced, it is them who will find us? If we have to go out and find them, then wouldn't that suggest that we are in fact technologically superior?

Any way, we aren't looking for aliens. We already found bacteria on Mars, but that wasn't what the people wanted.

We're looking for answers. We want someone who can explain difficult questions for us, someone who has solved the problems that confound us. We want something familiar yet superior. A c...
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