@Eaglestrikes: No dude, really. We're laughing at y'all. Yes, we're laughing at the fact that the fact that y'all stumbled into being labeled as scrotum-in-mouth enthusiasts.

But a lot of us are laughing at the fact that beyond that, y'all don't seem to realize that the Original Boston Tea Party participants stole the tea and dumped it in the harbor so that it couldn't be taxed. They were protesting against "Taxation without representation".

The Republican teabaggers of 2009 are buying teabags and sending them to their elected officials to protest taxation period.

So we're laughing at hordes of conservative Republicans accidentally advocating nut-sucking while mi...

@Eaglestrikes: No dude, really. We're laughing at y'all. Yes, we're laughing at the fact that the fact that y'all stumbled into being labeled as scrotum-in-mouth enthusiasts.

But a lot of us are laughing at the fact that beyond that, y'all don't seem to realize that the Original Boston Tea Party participants stole the tea and dumped it in the harbor so that it couldn't be taxed. They were protesting against "Taxation without representation".

The Republican teabaggers of 2009 are buying teabags and sending them to their elected officials to protest taxation period.

So we're laughing at hordes of conservative Republicans accidentally advocating nut-sucking while misinterpreting their own history while advancing a position of being freeloaders on society who want to sponge off of societal benefits like the highway system and police and fire departments, but don't want to pay their fair share.

A lot of us find people like that fucking hilarious.

Hope your protests leave a pleasant taste in your mouth.
And we won the last election.

while advancing a position of being freeloaders on society who want to sponge off of societal benefits like the highway system and police and fire departments, but don't want to pay their fair share.

Are you referring to those who receive entitlement checks? If so then I agree. If you are referring to those of us who pay over 50% of the total burden to allow those of you who pay little or nothing at all for the use of those roads and fire departments then I do not agree.

The purpose of the tea parties is to protest the wasteful government spending and rapid expansion. It is protesting the attempts of the federal government to infringe upon the rights established under the Cons...

while advancing a position of being freeloaders on society who want to sponge off of societal benefits like the highway system and police and fire departments, but don't want to pay their fair share.

Are you referring to those who receive entitlement checks? If so then I agree. If you are referring to those of us who pay over 50% of the total burden to allow those of you who pay little or nothing at all for the use of those roads and fire departments then I do not agree.

The purpose of the tea parties is to protest the wasteful government spending and rapid expansion. It is protesting the attempts of the federal government to infringe upon the rights established under the Constitution.

As far as your tea bag comment is concerned leave it to a liberal to think of such a perverse use of the English language. But liberals love their potty humor their side is full of them.

T.E.A. was an acronym for Tax Enough Already.

Worse than that, they are protesting FOR the very people that robbed them blind, i.e. the Wall Street fat cats, who are taking billions of dollars in tax payer money but don't want to tow the line when it comes to answering questions about what their going to do with it.

Again you guys do not have a clue. It is not the fat cats of wall street taking taxpayer money. Well not until they got TARP which we also OPPOSED. It is the government taking of our money we are protesting. And their policies of using that money to buy political favors and votes at the ballot box. It is the fiscal irresponsibility by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT we are opposing. We as freedom loving Americans do no...

Worse than that, they are protesting FOR the very people that robbed them blind, i.e. the Wall Street fat cats, who are taking billions of dollars in tax payer money but don't want to tow the line when it comes to answering questions about what their going to do with it.

Again you guys do not have a clue. It is not the fat cats of wall street taking taxpayer money. Well not until they got TARP which we also OPPOSED. It is the government taking of our money we are protesting. And their policies of using that money to buy political favors and votes at the ballot box. It is the fiscal irresponsibility by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT we are opposing. We as freedom loving Americans do not support any attempt by the federal government to regulate and confiscate private property through the tax code or other legislation.

The fact that the government feels justified in taking over private business is not a policy we can support. Of course those on the left think it is perfectly fine to take money and property from people they are taught to hate by the same government they support.

I really do not care what people do with MONEY THEY earned. If they wish to waste it good for them. But when they come to the tax payer and ask us to bail them out then we say NO. Your government said yes and for that we are opposed.

But by your comments apparently you support this administrations policies. And they call us the nut jobs.

Now I am laughing my ass off!

But the majority were followers of those on the right who were pushing a McCain presidency and they would not have held teaparties if he had won. Case closed.

Again I am not sure where you get your facts from I would like to actually see the breakdown of the make-up of the collective group of teaparty attendees. Not too many who are against the current policies being promulgated by the present administration were enamored with McCain like you allude to.

In fact those who voted for McCain did so for lack of choice not because of support of his policies. For me I voted for McCain primarily as the lessor of two evils. I would have preferred a conservative candidate for which to...

But the majority were followers of those on the right who were pushing a McCain presidency and they would not have held teaparties if he had won. Case closed.

Again I am not sure where you get your facts from I would like to actually see the breakdown of the make-up of the collective group of teaparty attendees. Not too many who are against the current policies being promulgated by the present administration were enamored with McCain like you allude to.

In fact those who voted for McCain did so for lack of choice not because of support of his policies. For me I voted for McCain primarily as the lessor of two evils. I would have preferred a conservative candidate for which to cast my vote but I had none from which to choose.

There would be no need for teaparties had there not been this rush to spend trillions of dollars of tax payer money on wasteful government pork projects and to bail out failed businesses.

The simple solution to the teaparty protests would be if the present administration would abandon their current course of unchecked government growth and control, irresponsible wreckless spending, and their push toward the socialization of our economy.

I hold out little hope for that change however.

So where were all these teabaggers when year after year war spending blossomed (along side regular Defense spending), with billions wasted on no bid reconstruction programs, the creation of the largest bureaucracy in history (DHS) and no bid contracts for mega corporations and mercenary outfits?

Or massive tax cuts for the top 1% while the median salaries of Americans stagnated and companies folded on their employee pension plans (and walked away by dumping them on the goverment/taxpayer lap).

The fact of the matter is that this mess was brought on by Reaganomics/War spending gone wild. Now somebody needs to pay the bills.

Also, the biggest increase in goverment came about during the Re...

So where were all these teabaggers when year after year war spending blossomed (along side regular Defense spending), with billions wasted on no bid reconstruction programs, the creation of the largest bureaucracy in history (DHS) and no bid contracts for mega corporations and mercenary outfits?

Or massive tax cuts for the top 1% while the median salaries of Americans stagnated and companies folded on their employee pension plans (and walked away by dumping them on the goverment/taxpayer lap).

The fact of the matter is that this mess was brought on by Reaganomics/War spending gone wild. Now somebody needs to pay the bills.

Also, the biggest increase in goverment came about during the Reagan years, alongside massive deficits.

And now you have the Texas governor wanting to seceded. The last time somebody talked like that was in 1860 with the election of another President, one Abraham Lincoln and for the same reasons, some people didn't like the fact that he was against slavery.

Talk about being pro-American!

There would be no need for teaparties had there not been this rush to spend trillions of dollars of tax payer money on wasteful government pork projects and to bail out failed businesses.

Wow-where were tea parties during Bush's 2 terms?
Now you know as well as I do that the people promoting the tea parties on Fox and conservative radio were some of the same people calling Obama a terrorist muslim born outside the USA. I am sure many Ron Paul supporters and libertarians did attend. I agree there was a lack of choice in this election for those who are against deficit spending. I am one of those who supports deficit spending ONLY during severe recession. Republicans have lost t...

There would be no need for teaparties had there not been this rush to spend trillions of dollars of tax payer money on wasteful government pork projects and to bail out failed businesses.

Wow-where were tea parties during Bush's 2 terms?
Now you know as well as I do that the people promoting the tea parties on Fox and conservative radio were some of the same people calling Obama a terrorist muslim born outside the USA. I am sure many Ron Paul supporters and libertarians did attend. I agree there was a lack of choice in this election for those who are against deficit spending. I am one of those who supports deficit spending ONLY during severe recession. Republicans have lost this ethic and have been engaging in wasteful spending for years. In my OPINION, Obama was the more intelligent candidate who put the economy first, although I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. He's also the better statesman. He will tackle wasteful spending on entitlements . They won't disappear and neither will defense spending-that's a pipe dream you have. McCain and a mostly liberal congress stalemating each other would have likely plunged us into a depression while the FED continued to devalue the dollar and deplete our life savings. McCain was indeed more of the same. We might be bombing Iran, North Korea and Somalia under McCain. In my opinion Obama was the lesser of two "evils", if that is what you choose to call our politicians. This clusterfuck of the economy has been forming for a loooooong time-blaming Obama for increasing the deficit and your taxes is silly. You are always asking me where I get my facts from yet you provide none. These are opinions aren't they?

Now you know as well as I do that the people promoting the tea parties on Fox and conservative radio were some of the same people calling Obama a terrorist muslim born outside the USA.

No I do not know this but I do know that conservative talk radio hosts are calling Obama and this administration 'statists', 'facists' and 'marxist socialists" and Obama a disciple of Saul Alinski.

Based upon the definition of these terms I would have to agree with most of those generalizations but I think a statist would be the most fitting at this moment. And by Obama's own words as cited in his book he admits to being a disciple of Saul Alinski so these are factual statements. Not sure wher...

Now you know as well as I do that the people promoting the tea parties on Fox and conservative radio were some of the same people calling Obama a terrorist muslim born outside the USA.

No I do not know this but I do know that conservative talk radio hosts are calling Obama and this administration 'statists', 'facists' and 'marxist socialists" and Obama a disciple of Saul Alinski.

Based upon the definition of these terms I would have to agree with most of those generalizations but I think a statist would be the most fitting at this moment. And by Obama's own words as cited in his book he admits to being a disciple of Saul Alinski so these are factual statements. Not sure where you got your information from. I have not heard any conservative radio hosts or Fox news calling him a terrorist. There was and is still talk about his being born outside the USA. I really do not care about any of those accusations but I do care about the direction this current administration is taking the country.

eaglewings: are you one of those who needs immediate gratification? Geez we gave Bush and a republican congress 6 years before we complained and threw the idiots out. Nope I meant to say McCain-you are the one using conjecture after 2 months in office -where is your depression-the fat cats are paying us back on the TARP as we speak--- oh and the stock market has risen 25% since Obama took office-as I said before this took a generation to create the mess we're in, give the guy a minute...your rising deficit war chant is so out of context to history it's not funny -reagan bush I and bush 2 were the promulgators of the deficit during boom times-good conservatives they were NOT
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eaglewings: are you one of those who needs immediate gratification? Geez we gave Bush and a republican congress 6 years before we complained and threw the idiots out. Nope I meant to say McCain-you are the one using conjecture after 2 months in office -where is your depression-the fat cats are paying us back on the TARP as we speak--- oh and the stock market has risen 25% since Obama took office-as I said before this took a generation to create the mess we're in, give the guy a minute...your rising deficit war chant is so out of context to history it's not funny -reagan bush I and bush 2 were the promulgators of the deficit during boom times-good conservatives they were NOT
proof of attempts by the republicans and the press to smear Obama as a muslim and terrorist sympathizer-watch it all

So he is a boogie man, how infantile is that.

As for the definitions of statism, which one is it:

Statism (or Etatism) is a term that may refer to any (or all) of the following:

1. Government having a major role in the direction of the economy, both through state-owned enterprises and indirectly through the central planning of overall economy.[1]

2. The "concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government."[2]

3. The Fascist concept of statism which holds that "basic concept that sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, the prestige, a...

So he is a boogie man, how infantile is that.

As for the definitions of statism, which one is it:

Statism (or Etatism) is a term that may refer to any (or all) of the following:

1. Government having a major role in the direction of the economy, both through state-owned enterprises and indirectly through the central planning of overall economy.[1]

2. The "concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government."[2]

3. The Fascist concept of statism which holds that "basic concept that sovereignty is vested not in the people but in the national state, and that all individuals and associations exist only to enhance the power, the prestige, and the well-being of the state. The fascist concept of statism repudiates individualism and exalts the nation as an organic body headed by the Supreme Leader and nurtured by unity, force, and discipline."[3]

4. Ideological passive or active support for any government and/or its practices, as a measure of degree. (Statism is the opposite of "support for anarchy" or "the abolition of government, or its practices or programs" when "anarchy" is properly defined as "the absence of government". Example: "I suppose that I am a statist, since I support the intermediary existence of a military, court system, and police force, but I'm not much of one, since I support abolishing all other government programs.") [4]

Bullshit. The economy was floating on the top of a housing bubble. Salaries stagnated, growth slowed to a crawl. Nothing to do with the Democrats

Wrong again. The facts: the housing bubble was predicated upon the sub-prime mortgages forced upon banks by Barry Frank and Chris Dodd who were in control of FANNIE and FREDDY. When these bad loans defaulted it brought about this housing collapse. Republicans warned congress about this eventuallity only to be told by BARRY FRANK that Freddie and Fannie were sound. They were not. George Bush tried 4 times to halt the Fannie and Freddy trainwreck only to be opposed by the dems in congress.

Therefore it was the dems who were right smac...

Bullshit. The economy was floating on the top of a housing bubble. Salaries stagnated, growth slowed to a crawl. Nothing to do with the Democrats

Wrong again. The facts: the housing bubble was predicated upon the sub-prime mortgages forced upon banks by Barry Frank and Chris Dodd who were in control of FANNIE and FREDDY. When these bad loans defaulted it brought about this housing collapse. Republicans warned congress about this eventuallity only to be told by BARRY FRANK that Freddie and Fannie were sound. They were not. George Bush tried 4 times to halt the Fannie and Freddy trainwreck only to be opposed by the dems in congress.

Therefore it was the dems who were right smack dab in the middle of this mess. And it is those same people now coming around and trying to tell us they can fix it. HA they are the ones who screwed it up.

So now that they are in control did they do anything to stop the issuing of sub-prime loans. NO on the contrary they made sure that afforable housing would still be available and that those who are currently unable to pay their mortages get to keep them by making others pay it for them. Yep sounds like the fix it in alright.

WAY TO GO DEMS. At this rate there will not be an economy to fight over. We will all be broke, jobless and homeless.

eaglewings you need to read this - far from idiots

Read it and it does not change my position. The only problem with the article they called it theft but pointed the finger at the wrong culprit. The thieves in this case is the FEDS.

I have been opposed to TARP from the beginning and I was opposed to Bush's bailout plan when he sent everyone $600 dollars and marrieds $1000 wow. I was also opposed to deficit spending for years. I think the government should cut spending and eliminate all earmarks.

I say the same things you guys say and yet for some reason I am the bad guy. You guys CRIED FOUL when BUSH SPENT money but you PRAISE OBAMA for spending more. Someone is a nut job ...

eaglewings you need to read this - far from idiots

Read it and it does not change my position. The only problem with the article they called it theft but pointed the finger at the wrong culprit. The thieves in this case is the FEDS.

I have been opposed to TARP from the beginning and I was opposed to Bush's bailout plan when he sent everyone $600 dollars and marrieds $1000 wow. I was also opposed to deficit spending for years. I think the government should cut spending and eliminate all earmarks.

I say the same things you guys say and yet for some reason I am the bad guy. You guys CRIED FOUL when BUSH SPENT money but you PRAISE OBAMA for spending more. Someone is a nut job but I do not believe it is me. Someone is a disingenuous and again I think that lies on the other side.

Your article should of course be added to the mix as long as it is used in context with my posts rather than just placing blame on democrats-there was just as much failure of republicans to deal with it---see we're not that far apart ---I opposed Tarp as well as did most democrats I see here and am against deficit spending of the kind Reagan, Bush I and Bush II engaged in. Obama yes is engaging in too much deficit spending, but some of it is absolutely necessary in a recession as severe as this. And at least he is putting the war budget in the budget instead of off budget to hide the massive spending there like Bush did. Putting the fault on democrats to the exclusion of republicans is a ...

Your article should of course be added to the mix as long as it is used in context with my posts rather than just placing blame on democrats-there was just as much failure of republicans to deal with it---see we're not that far apart ---I opposed Tarp as well as did most democrats I see here and am against deficit spending of the kind Reagan, Bush I and Bush II engaged in. Obama yes is engaging in too much deficit spending, but some of it is absolutely necessary in a recession as severe as this. And at least he is putting the war budget in the budget instead of off budget to hide the massive spending there like Bush did. Putting the fault on democrats to the exclusion of republicans is a huge error, but a convenient although weak excuse for years of abuse by so called conservatives. Starting to complain about it now reeks of partisanship-that's why most liberals can't hear you-they are far from stupid. I too want to know-WHERE WERE THE CONSERVATIVES while they had the majority OVER THE LAST 20 years or so?

Gross. Why are liberals so nasty? I mean this is the kind of shit that's funny in the 3rd grade. It's not like Bill Clinton committed Oval Office fellatio and got impeached. Gross. Who comes up with this stuff? Someone just farted and everyone laughed. WTF? No one laughed when Ted Kennedy drove his date off a bridge. No one laughed when Jim McGreevey, Trucker Temptress, decided to become governor of New Jersey. Gross. The wing of sex fiends, perverts, and adulterers grows faster and longer than Clinton's penthouse letters to the editor. Seriously, if the liberal moral superiority was any more gross, Jesse "who's your daddy" Jackson would have ministered to Bill Clinton during the...

Gross. Why are liberals so nasty? I mean this is the kind of shit that's funny in the 3rd grade. It's not like Bill Clinton committed Oval Office fellatio and got impeached. Gross. Who comes up with this stuff? Someone just farted and everyone laughed. WTF? No one laughed when Ted Kennedy drove his date off a bridge. No one laughed when Jim McGreevey, Trucker Temptress, decided to become governor of New Jersey. Gross. The wing of sex fiends, perverts, and adulterers grows faster and longer than Clinton's penthouse letters to the editor. Seriously, if the liberal moral superiority was any more gross, Jesse "who's your daddy" Jackson would have ministered to Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal while fathering a child out of wedlock. Gross.

Obama yes is engaging in too much deficit spending, but some of it is absolutely necessary in a recession as severe as this.

I would really like to know how one can get out of a big hole by digging and even bigger hole? What part of Obama's HUGE SPENDING bill actually went toward market growth? What portion of his spending bill actually stimulated anything? Can you point to even one thing Obama spent money on that actually stimulated anything?

All I know is this when one is carrying a huge debt load borrowing more money is not the answer to getting out of debt. SLOWING SPENDING IS!

You guys complain about huge spending by Republicans but your guy has out spent every Presid...

Obama yes is engaging in too much deficit spending, but some of it is absolutely necessary in a recession as severe as this.

I would really like to know how one can get out of a big hole by digging and even bigger hole? What part of Obama's HUGE SPENDING bill actually went toward market growth? What portion of his spending bill actually stimulated anything? Can you point to even one thing Obama spent money on that actually stimulated anything?

All I know is this when one is carrying a huge debt load borrowing more money is not the answer to getting out of debt. SLOWING SPENDING IS!

You guys complain about huge spending by Republicans but your guy has out spent every President since Washington in less than 6 months. NOW THAT IS A SPENDING SPREE.

And who do you suppose is going to pay for all this spending?

Not democrats they do not pay taxes just ask Obama's administrative staff which is mostly made up of tax cheats.

Yep we are in good hands now.

Putting the fault on democrats to the exclusion of republicans is a huge error, but a convenient although weak excuse for years of abuse by so called conservatives. Starting to complain about it now reeks of partisanship-that's why most liberals can't hear you-they are far from stupid. I too want to know-WHERE WERE THE CONSERVATIVES while they had the majority OVER THE LAST 20 years or so?

Conservatives have been against the expanse of government since FDR. We have been opposed to deficit spending all along as well. We are not the ones changing our positions. We have been consistent since the founding of the country. In fact our positions mirror the founding fathers. And yours...

Putting the fault on democrats to the exclusion of republicans is a huge error, but a convenient although weak excuse for years of abuse by so called conservatives. Starting to complain about it now reeks of partisanship-that's why most liberals can't hear you-they are far from stupid. I too want to know-WHERE WERE THE CONSERVATIVES while they had the majority OVER THE LAST 20 years or so?

Conservatives have been against the expanse of government since FDR. We have been opposed to deficit spending all along as well. We are not the ones changing our positions. We have been consistent since the founding of the country. In fact our positions mirror the founding fathers. And yours come from where? Marxism? Socialism? Saul Alinsky? They certainly are not the philosophy of the founders.

Conservatives have been against the expanse of government since FDR

You are either delusional or naive on that one.

I see that clipping those articles didn't moderate eaglewings one bit against the failures of your own party also- is ther no moderating a hard core republican with a superiority complex who likes to call names instead of research facts? There are fiscal conservatives like Ron Paul and plenty of others (me) who point out how reckless the republicans have been over 20 years of Republican control of US budgets. The best thrown back is sex scandals and conservative credentials. Republicans have greatly contributed to the creation of this monster that is called de...

Conservatives have been against the expanse of government since FDR

You are either delusional or naive on that one.

I see that clipping those articles didn't moderate eaglewings one bit against the failures of your own party also- is ther no moderating a hard core republican with a superiority complex who likes to call names instead of research facts? There are fiscal conservatives like Ron Paul and plenty of others (me) who point out how reckless the republicans have been over 20 years of Republican control of US budgets. The best thrown back is sex scandals and conservative credentials. Republicans have greatly contributed to the creation of this monster that is called deficit spending (during repeated boom cycles no less). Clinton has been the only President in modern history to reverse that trend, but you focus on his sexual appetite. Blame the dems, but put republicans on a pedestal. I am sure not commenting because I want capitalism or democracy to disappear in favor of fascism or a socialist dictatorship and I have no understanding of or interest in Saul. That is a silly red herring being thrown out by christian conservatives because they don't like my liberal position on social matters. The left are just as interested in you are in getting the economy back on track, a clean environment, and a government that works with a simplified tax code that is more fair. Just because they see a different path to the same end doesn't make them idiots, fascists, or anti-Americans.

– Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN), who complained that the “federal government is spending money they don’t have,” told Rachel Maddow he would nevertheless accept funds for Minnesota: “Our view is, if you buy the pizza, it’s OK if you have a slice.”

– Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who also campaigned ardently against the bill, said he would nevertheless gladly accept its funds for his state. “You don’t want to be crazy here,” he said.

– Rep. John Mica (R-FL) gushed over the bill, which he, too, voted against. “I applaud President Obama’s recognition that high-speed rail should be part of America’s future,” he said in a press release.

– Rep. Don Young (R-AK) boasted that he “won a victory for…Alask...

– Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R-MN), who complained that the “federal government is spending money they don’t have,” told Rachel Maddow he would nevertheless accept funds for Minnesota: “Our view is, if you buy the pizza, it’s OK if you have a slice.”

– Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), who also campaigned ardently against the bill, said he would nevertheless gladly accept its funds for his state. “You don’t want to be crazy here,” he said.

– Rep. John Mica (R-FL) gushed over the bill, which he, too, voted against. “I applaud President Obama’s recognition that high-speed rail should be part of America’s future,” he said in a press release.

– Rep. Don Young (R-AK) boasted that he “won a victory for…Alaska small business owners” in the recovery bill he refused to vote for.

Conservatives have been against the expanse of government since FDR

You are either delusional or naive on that one.

WHY? A conservative is not necessarily a Republican and a liberal is not necessarily a Democrat. To be conservative you would have stand for issues conservatives stand for. Bush was not a conservative and conservatives vocalized their objections. Even that 'big mouth' Rush your side likes to demonize has on many occasions voiced his opposition to Bush's positions.

So then nothing I said is delusional or naive. My positions are consistent, and I place fault where fault needs to be placed. You guys though I wonder where you allegiances lie.

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Conservatives have been against the expanse of government since FDR

You are either delusional or naive on that one.

WHY? A conservative is not necessarily a Republican and a liberal is not necessarily a Democrat. To be conservative you would have stand for issues conservatives stand for. Bush was not a conservative and conservatives vocalized their objections. Even that 'big mouth' Rush your side likes to demonize has on many occasions voiced his opposition to Bush's positions.

So then nothing I said is delusional or naive. My positions are consistent, and I place fault where fault needs to be placed. You guys though I wonder where you allegiances lie.

You vocalize such OUTRAGE at "republican' deficit spending and then leap for glee when your guys out spends every President since Washinngton. His budget eclipses all the Federal budgets added together since the founding of this country. AND YOU SAY OUR SIDE ARE BIG SPENDERS give me a break.

This is all on you now and I am sorry to say it will not work any better this time then the many times it has been tried before. But we can HOPE for a CHANGE! and CHANGE IS COMING you can bank on that.

The left are just as interested in you are in getting the economy back on track, a clean environment, and a government that works with a simplified tax code that is more fair.

PROVE IT! Which proposal presented by OBAMA even slightly indicates a simplified tax code. AND FAIRNESS what is fair about 20 percent of the people in this country carrying over 50% of the tax burden while over 40% of our citizens demanding government services do not pay a dime toward that same government? You call that fair. WHAT FAIR TAX proposal has been offered by OBAMA? I know of many proposed by the opposing party.

And as far as CLEAN ENVIRONMENT is concerned ours is the cleanest on the planet. ...

The left are just as interested in you are in getting the economy back on track, a clean environment, and a government that works with a simplified tax code that is more fair.

PROVE IT! Which proposal presented by OBAMA even slightly indicates a simplified tax code. AND FAIRNESS what is fair about 20 percent of the people in this country carrying over 50% of the tax burden while over 40% of our citizens demanding government services do not pay a dime toward that same government? You call that fair. WHAT FAIR TAX proposal has been offered by OBAMA? I know of many proposed by the opposing party.

And as far as CLEAN ENVIRONMENT is concerned ours is the cleanest on the planet. IF OBAMA and his ilk were really concerned about A CLEAN environment then they would force the big polluters to clean up their act or not get any federal money. FAT CHANCE that is going to happen because CHINA will just tell us to F off because they OWN US with all the debt securities they hold on this country.

YES the country is in a mess and career politicians on both sides of the aisle are equally to blame for the current conditions. But the present bunch now occupying the majority of this government are accelerating our demiss and I am not going to sit idly by and allow them free passage to do it.

IF OBAMA and his ilk were really concerned about getting the economy back on track they would immediately cut the coporate tax rate and reduce federal regulations that places added costs on getting goods and service to market. They would reduce across the board taxes on all productive citizens "THOSE WHO PAY TAXES" which would immediately place money into the pockets of those who make this economy run WE THE PEOPLE.

The government can not produce anything but additional government which removes even more money from the private sector and redistributes it into more government.

And I ask you WHEN IS OBAMA going to start SAVING OR CREATING 3.5 million jobs? And when is your hero going to REDUCE EARMARK SPENDING? WHICH of the 9000 pork barrel projects is he planning on cutting out of his BLOATED budget to help the DEBT BURDEN?

AND now to address personal attacks. When this country falls and the economy tanks and our children and grand children are saddled with the huge DEBT LOAD you guys placed upon their shoulders I hope you are MAN and WOMAN enough to stand up and say YEP WE DID THIS TO YOU and we are PROUD OF IT!

But in the mean time I am going to fight to regain some common sense in our government and fight to remove every tax and spend politician on Capital ...

And I ask you WHEN IS OBAMA going to start SAVING OR CREATING 3.5 million jobs? And when is your hero going to REDUCE EARMARK SPENDING? WHICH of the 9000 pork barrel projects is he planning on cutting out of his BLOATED budget to help the DEBT BURDEN?

AND now to address personal attacks. When this country falls and the economy tanks and our children and grand children are saddled with the huge DEBT LOAD you guys placed upon their shoulders I hope you are MAN and WOMAN enough to stand up and say YEP WE DID THIS TO YOU and we are PROUD OF IT!

But in the mean time I am going to fight to regain some common sense in our government and fight to remove every tax and spend politician on Capital hill and in the state houses across this country. So if you stand for fiscal responsibility and smaller government then you will stand and fight with me if not then we are on opposing sides and I pray God help you because I am certainly praying to GOD to help me. And HE DOES!

OUTRAGE at "republican' deficit spending

let me keep it real simple:
1) there must be very few conservatives left in the Republican party if the entire congress went lock step with the last 3 republican presidents in expanding govt spending-why you keep voting for the dems disgusing themselves as conservatives?
2) liberals have never claimed to believe or support small govt....why do you expect them to think like you? Capitalism can thrive alongside big govt-they are not mutually exclusive.
3) if you understand history and the value of money-Obama may be outspending in dollars but at least it is all on budget (not hidden like in the past) AND it is valued in dollars that are...

OUTRAGE at "republican' deficit spending

let me keep it real simple:
1) there must be very few conservatives left in the Republican party if the entire congress went lock step with the last 3 republican presidents in expanding govt spending-why you keep voting for the dems disgusing themselves as conservatives?
2) liberals have never claimed to believe or support small govt....why do you expect them to think like you? Capitalism can thrive alongside big govt-they are not mutually exclusive.
3) if you understand history and the value of money-Obama may be outspending in dollars but at least it is all on budget (not hidden like in the past) AND it is valued in dollars that aren't worth shit so it's not the biggest budget in the context of the value of the dollar. I am not in favor of ALL of the spending Obama is engaging in-far from it. I am in favor of deficit spending in a severe recession. We'll have to reverse it soon as the economy is recovering. Hopefully he'll follow Clinton's lead in a year or two. It will take me a long time to answer your next two posts, and I doubt it would make a difference, you are not budgeable.

1) there must be very few conservatives left in the Republican party if the entire congress went lock step with the last 3 republican presidents in expanding govt spending-why you keep voting for the dems disgusing themselves as conservatives?

Correct and I already stated that so we agree. I do not vote for dems disquised as republicans

2) liberals have never claimed to believe or support small govt....why
do you expect them to think like you? Capitalism can thrive alongside
big govt-they are not mutually exclusive.

Again correct at least you admit it and again we agree. I do not expect a LIB to be conservative A lib can never be a conservative and a conservati...

1) there must be very few conservatives left in the Republican party if the entire congress went lock step with the last 3 republican presidents in expanding govt spending-why you keep voting for the dems disgusing themselves as conservatives?

Correct and I already stated that so we agree. I do not vote for dems disquised as republicans

2) liberals have never claimed to believe or support small govt....why
do you expect them to think like you? Capitalism can thrive alongside
big govt-they are not mutually exclusive.

Again correct at least you admit it and again we agree. I do not expect a LIB to be conservative A lib can never be a conservative and a conservative can not be a lib.

Capitalism can thrive alongside
big govt-they are not mutually exclusive.

NOPE I do not believe that. The whole concept of BIG GOVERNMENT is to CONTROL as much of individual freedoms as possible therefore for a FREE MARKET society to work GOVERNMENT has to get out of the way and That is an anathema to those who support big government. Only those who feel they can not self-govern need a NANNY to keep an eye on them and Government to take care of them. I call them sissies.

3) if you understand history and the value of money-Obama may be
outspending in dollars but at least it is all on budget (not hidden
like in the past) AND it is valued in dollars that aren't worth shit so
it's not the biggest budget in the context of the value of the dollar.

History has proved that TAX INCREASES and deficit spending is detrimental to economic growth. History has also proven that socialism does not work anywhere it is tried. History has also proved that TAX cuts work everywhere and everytime they are tried. Therefore the only course of economic recovery proven historically to work is TAX CUTS and SPENDING CUTS which of these is OBAMA proposing?

AND it is valued in dollars that aren't worth shit so
it's not the biggest budget in the cont

Lol, you think I want more spending? that's funny. I want less. I want my money back for the 100k or so I personally paid in taxes for a stupid ill gotten war that produced nothing but higher oil and more terrorists. I want my money back for a lot of things that you apparently support with your vote. I'm the real fiscal conservative. But I hate a heart and believe govt can play a role in the betterment of our society. I've simply been attempting to make the point endlessly it seems that you conservatives are so late to complain that you have taken us down the toilet and now you attack a man who spends more. If he cut, you'd attack. Doesn't matter what he does, you will attack because he ...

Lol, you think I want more spending? that's funny. I want less. I want my money back for the 100k or so I personally paid in taxes for a stupid ill gotten war that produced nothing but higher oil and more terrorists. I want my money back for a lot of things that you apparently support with your vote. I'm the real fiscal conservative. But I hate a heart and believe govt can play a role in the betterment of our society. I've simply been attempting to make the point endlessly it seems that you conservatives are so late to complain that you have taken us down the toilet and now you attack a man who spends more. If he cut, you'd attack. Doesn't matter what he does, you will attack because he is a democrat. I get that. Liberals support big government. I am a daytrader you think I want capitalism to end-HA! Socialism works in Sweden for one. Capitalism has it's pitfalls but we don't abandon it. Stop whining so much and fix the stoopids in congress with your vote-stop voting for republicans who vote like democrats disguised as conservatives-this is what I was trying to say above in case you misunderstood. I give Clintons republican congress all the credit in the world, but that doesn't mean clinton had no choice. He campaigned for it, he supported it, he is proud of it. You can't give a liberal credit for anything can ya. I challenge you to find the perfect capitalist system with no liberal persons in it-why doesn't it exist, maybe because it doesn't work----back at ya.

When this country falls and the economy tanks and our children and
grand children are saddled with the huge DEBT LOAD you guys placed upon
their shoulders I hope you are MAN and WOMAN enough to stand up and say
YEP WE DID THIS TO YOU and we are PROUD OF IT!

Dude, that already happened, way before Obama took over. The only reason we haven't been through a depression before Obama was manipulation by the Federal Reserve. Do you understand all your hard work has produced nothing in terms of the value of the dollar? Every American who spent without saving, every American who voted to re-elect anyone, every American who sat silent until now is responsible for the deficit. Hopef...

When this country falls and the economy tanks and our children and
grand children are saddled with the huge DEBT LOAD you guys placed upon
their shoulders I hope you are MAN and WOMAN enough to stand up and say
YEP WE DID THIS TO YOU and we are PROUD OF IT!

Dude, that already happened, way before Obama took over. The only reason we haven't been through a depression before Obama was manipulation by the Federal Reserve. Do you understand all your hard work has produced nothing in terms of the value of the dollar? Every American who spent without saving, every American who voted to re-elect anyone, every American who sat silent until now is responsible for the deficit. Hopefully, and he is not my hero yet just to be real, he will continue to work with our best minds in the fields of technology to get us competetive in the world again. Guess what-- the trade deficit is now the smallest it has been in 9 years! Things are starting to crank-we MUST innovate green tech, biotech, and robotics, and a good dose of inflation will kill a lot of the deficit-----watch and behold the power of capitalism plus heart.

a couple clarifications. I do support good fiscal policy no matter who proposes it. I can not support anything that the current bunch is doing that is correct. Socialism does not work and never will so I am confident in the failure of Obama's policies. You shall sit back and watch it happen I shall rise up and stop it from happening.

And yet you say we sat back. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO?

And for your information, not that facts matter to you. There was a time when there was no federal defecit. There was a time where there was no income tax. There was a time when there was no trade defecit. There was a time when there steady economic growth.

AND THEN WILSON. And well then we got FDR

Lots...

a couple clarifications. I do support good fiscal policy no matter who proposes it. I can not support anything that the current bunch is doing that is correct. Socialism does not work and never will so I am confident in the failure of Obama's policies. You shall sit back and watch it happen I shall rise up and stop it from happening.

And yet you say we sat back. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO?

And for your information, not that facts matter to you. There was a time when there was no federal defecit. There was a time where there was no income tax. There was a time when there was no trade defecit. There was a time when there steady economic growth.

AND THEN WILSON. And well then we got FDR

Lots has changed since the founding of this country and most of it was not GOOD for America but great for Government.

Eaglewings: Perhaps you'd be happier moving to another country. I know I'd be happy to see you go.

I love my country and I am not going to allow it to be sold to the lowest bidder. We fight for what we believe in in this country. We fight for freedom. We defend our Constitution.

I am saddened that anyone would deny anyone the right to free speech or the right to voice opposition and petition our Government for a redress of grievances which is guaranteed by our Constitution by the way. But I do understand how intolerant and vengeful those on the left are.

America is still a great nation because she is filled with great people. And WE THE PEOPLE are what make this countr...

Eaglewings: Perhaps you'd be happier moving to another country. I know I'd be happy to see you go.

I love my country and I am not going to allow it to be sold to the lowest bidder. We fight for what we believe in in this country. We fight for freedom. We defend our Constitution.

I am saddened that anyone would deny anyone the right to free speech or the right to voice opposition and petition our Government for a redress of grievances which is guaranteed by our Constitution by the way. But I do understand how intolerant and vengeful those on the left are.

America is still a great nation because she is filled with great people. And WE THE PEOPLE are what make this country great. And by contrast it is WE THE PEOPLE who can destroy this country. SO I GUESS it is up to US.

well, dulios-who could have imagined this clip would go here! I apologize for all the emails you've had to endure! I will just close with this. It’s not my intent to defend a congress full of people “asleep at the wheel” shall we say. For sure, they have played a game which requires them to spend most of their time fund raising (and repaying favors) to stay in office because of the cushy lifestyle and lifelong benefits they then receive. There are exceptions; certainly Ron Paul qualifies as one who has been pointing out the dangerousness of the path we were taking. He had been roundly ignored by most Americans for years as too extreme, so many of his predictions have been born out becau...

well, dulios-who could have imagined this clip would go here! I apologize for all the emails you've had to endure! I will just close with this. It’s not my intent to defend a congress full of people “asleep at the wheel” shall we say. For sure, they have played a game which requires them to spend most of their time fund raising (and repaying favors) to stay in office because of the cushy lifestyle and lifelong benefits they then receive. There are exceptions; certainly Ron Paul qualifies as one who has been pointing out the dangerousness of the path we were taking. He had been roundly ignored by most Americans for years as too extreme, so many of his predictions have been born out because we didn’t pay attention. There are many others who have done some work as well (Obama himself wrote letters to treasury and the fed as a freshmen senator expressing concerns over spending, mortgage business practices, and oversight-he certainly spoke loudly against war with Iraq). The FED manipulating the dollar has created the most problems though in my opinion. Rather than allowing business cycles of capitalism to proceed normally, the chairmen over the years have attempted to forestall contractions, creating bubbles which when they pop are then responded to by further devaluing the dollar. Fortunately because we have a history of being the most innovative and wealthiest country in the world, our dollar hasn’t totally collapsed. It is still seen as a safe haven of sorts, surprisingly. I suspect if we continue on this path that too shall end in favor of a different sort of currency based on hard assets. The bottom line for me is that America will be fine (inflation wipes out debt quickly, as does homegrown jobs growth and/or debt default) as long as we get back to what we are good at-INNOVATION. It’s just like the guy who goes bankrupt, if he’s smart and figures out a way to drive income, recovery and even wealth can happen. If we succeed in stopping spending by governme

government which stimulates alternative energy, biotech, infrastructure, and advanced technologies (communications, robotics,etc) it doesn’t matter what the fed does, we will lose our wealth and our wonderful lifestyle. It’s also going to be important for all Americans to consider taking less materially in order to keep jobs in America so that we can compete. Who will sacrifice for the country anymore beyond a soldier who follows orders into an ill-conceived war which has cost us so much? Fighting government waste and incompetence is one thing, but I think a lot of well meaning people with their tea parties aren’t seeing the forest for the trees. These folks waited too long to now fight ...

government which stimulates alternative energy, biotech, infrastructure, and advanced technologies (communications, robotics,etc) it doesn’t matter what the fed does, we will lose our wealth and our wonderful lifestyle. It’s also going to be important for all Americans to consider taking less materially in order to keep jobs in America so that we can compete. Who will sacrifice for the country anymore beyond a soldier who follows orders into an ill-conceived war which has cost us so much? Fighting government waste and incompetence is one thing, but I think a lot of well meaning people with their tea parties aren’t seeing the forest for the trees. These folks waited too long to now fight against programs we desperately need (and they will benefit from) while ignoring the spending on programs that only hurt us. Peace everybody

It’s also going to be important for all Americans to consider taking less materially in order to keep jobs in America so that we can compete.

Starting with government eh? Sounds like we are closer to agreeing then disagreeing and yet you argued with me for days.

I am not a big fan of Ron Paul. I like some of his positions but not totally enamored with him. Third party candidates are fine but they usually do not win elections and only cause more problems then solve any by splitting votes and allowing a lessor candidate to get elected. Which that where not the case but history indicates it is.

America can compete with anyone if government just stays the heck out of the way ...

It’s also going to be important for all Americans to consider taking less materially in order to keep jobs in America so that we can compete.

Starting with government eh? Sounds like we are closer to agreeing then disagreeing and yet you argued with me for days.

I am not a big fan of Ron Paul. I like some of his positions but not totally enamored with him. Third party candidates are fine but they usually do not win elections and only cause more problems then solve any by splitting votes and allowing a lessor candidate to get elected. Which that where not the case but history indicates it is.

America can compete with anyone if government just stays the heck out of the way of innovation. Government taxes and regulations are causing the greatest exodus of American jobs I believe.

(Obama himself wrote letters to treasury and the fed as a freshmen
senator expressing concerns over spending, mortgage business practices,
and oversight-he certainly spoke loudly against war with Iraq).

writing letters and actually doing anything about it are two entirely different things. He has no intentions of cutting back spending and his handling of PRIVATE BUSINESS Is appalling. Sorry to shoot down your shining star but he is shaping up to be the worst President ever in our history. But we can HOPE FOR CHANGE!

The FED manipulating the dollar has created the most problems though in my opinion.

We agree mostly it is the FEDS sticking their nose into the FREEMARKET causing most of the problems. Not just manipulation of money.

Rather than allowing business cycles of capitalism to proceed normally,
the chairmen over the years have attempted to forestall contractions,

Again we agree. That is why TARP was so LOUDLY opposed. OBAMA supported it and you support OBAMA so why complain now? That has been your argument against me.

government which stimulates alternative energy, biotech, infrastructure, and advanced technologies (communications, robotics,etc) it doesn’t matter what the fed does, we will lose our wealth and our wonderful lifestyle

I am not sure what you mean here. Government spending does not stimulate anything. The marketplace of ideas is where innovation comes from. Subsidized industries are usually failing industries. If failing industries are continually propped up it skews the normal business cycle. Failing industries need to fail. Sorry GM but your poor business decisions have gotten you to this place and you need to suffer the consequences of those poor choices. Granted others will...

government which stimulates alternative energy, biotech, infrastructure, and advanced technologies (communications, robotics,etc) it doesn’t matter what the fed does, we will lose our wealth and our wonderful lifestyle

I am not sure what you mean here. Government spending does not stimulate anything. The marketplace of ideas is where innovation comes from. Subsidized industries are usually failing industries. If failing industries are continually propped up it skews the normal business cycle. Failing industries need to fail. Sorry GM but your poor business decisions have gotten you to this place and you need to suffer the consequences of those poor choices. Granted others will suffer as a result but this is a teaching moment that government intervention does not help only makes bad situations worse.

Those in favor of MORE Government are supporting more of the SAME MESS we have now. I oppose such measures. Always have, always will.

And let us not forget the labor unions.... but that is for another time and place. Deb you see you and I agree more then disagree.

The difference is you see OBAMA as the savior and I see him as a BIG part of the problem. But he has lots of help in congress.

Time to HOPE FOR CHANGE! Eagle Out!

Economist Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, explains: "Spending that is not stimulus is like cash that is not money. Any spending will generate jobs. It is that simple. ... Any reporter who does not understand this fact has no business reporting on the economy." Mark Zandi of Moody's Economy.com, who served as an adviser to John McCain's presidential campaign has produced a handy chart showing how much a variety of spending increases and tax cuts would stimulate the economy. According to Zandi, a dollar spent on increasing unemployment benefits yields $1.64 in increased gross domestic product, and a dollar spent on food stamps yields $1.73 in GDP. Remem...

Economist Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, explains: "Spending that is not stimulus is like cash that is not money. Any spending will generate jobs. It is that simple. ... Any reporter who does not understand this fact has no business reporting on the economy." Mark Zandi of Moody's Economy.com, who served as an adviser to John McCain's presidential campaign has produced a handy chart showing how much a variety of spending increases and tax cuts would stimulate the economy. According to Zandi, a dollar spent on increasing unemployment benefits yields $1.64 in increased gross domestic product, and a dollar spent on food stamps yields $1.73 in GDP. Remember when President Bush signed a $168 billion economic stimulus package via tax rebates alone? There's a stimulus that doesn't work. I'm glad you agree with me on some that eaglewings. I am and have always been against TARP - McCain and Obama were my choices and both supported it. I'm a realist-you voted for the guys who supported and funded it too, more than once! I am after all a fiscal conservative with a strong interest in capitalism, AND a new democrat, lol. Go figure! You sir may now post the last word....I must get a life and give dulios a break.

The new lesson and adaption on the table now for America to tackle is integrating socialism into its system.

They say a fool and his money are soon parted. And I can certainly see why that is so fitting. Socialism predates our constitution therefore the constitution trumped socialism. But then socialism trumps our constitution so I guess what you are saying is trash the constitution and live like CUBA.

No thanks socialism has never worked anywhere it was tried and WE DEFEND the constitution in this country unless of course you are of the ilk of Pelosi, REID and OBAMA Ayers and Alinski.

I shall never give up my rights under the constitution to a central government. Give me l...

The new lesson and adaption on the table now for America to tackle is integrating socialism into its system.

They say a fool and his money are soon parted. And I can certainly see why that is so fitting. Socialism predates our constitution therefore the constitution trumped socialism. But then socialism trumps our constitution so I guess what you are saying is trash the constitution and live like CUBA.

No thanks socialism has never worked anywhere it was tried and WE DEFEND the constitution in this country unless of course you are of the ilk of Pelosi, REID and OBAMA Ayers and Alinski.

I shall never give up my rights under the constitution to a central government. Give me liberty or GIVE ME DEATH!

This same argument you guys use to toss out the wisdom of the WORD of GOD which certainly explains your positions.

I shall stand upon the Word of God and defend to death the constitution of these United States of America. Now I just wish we had elected officials who would do the same.

And for your information it takes a 2/3 vote of the states to ratify any amendment to the constitution. What your guys are doing is an end around the constitution and just acting unilaterally to impose their will upon the masses. The few leading the many is not what our founders envisioned. But lawless people will not heed the law, they fight against any restriction to their power grabs. Therefore it is understandable that your side would not want to heed the constitution. UNDER OATH, however, all those elected officials swore to defend the CONSTITUTION, they now ignore, against enemies foreign and domestic.It is common practice though for your side to lie and think nothing of it.

GOD HELP US we need it!

except the rich jackals that have been feeding off the typical American citizens for decades.

The only bottom feeders are those sponging off the public money trough seeking entitlements and government money. What you are proposing will only make more leaches but the host will soon die from all the blood sucking leeches. But what do you care as long as you GET EVEN and GET REVENGE.

Mind your own business and take care of your own business and stay out of my POCKET! PAY YOUR OWN WAY!

The only ones feeding off of this TYPICAL AMERICAN is the GOVERNMENT none of them SO- CALLED fat cats have ever FORCIBLY taken money from me. Wall Street, Main street not even you are able to fo...

except the rich jackals that have been feeding off the typical American citizens for decades.

The only bottom feeders are those sponging off the public money trough seeking entitlements and government money. What you are proposing will only make more leaches but the host will soon die from all the blood sucking leeches. But what do you care as long as you GET EVEN and GET REVENGE.

Mind your own business and take care of your own business and stay out of my POCKET! PAY YOUR OWN WAY!

The only ones feeding off of this TYPICAL AMERICAN is the GOVERNMENT none of them SO- CALLED fat cats have ever FORCIBLY taken money from me. Wall Street, Main street not even you are able to forcibly take money from me under sanction of law. Only CAPITAL STREET is able to force me to capitulate and turn over my rights as an individual.

We the people have finally had enough! You guys just can not GET ENOUGH! Just like the bowels of HELL are never satisfied neither is your side. The more they take the MORE THEY WANT. STAY THE HELL OUT OF MY LIFE and get a life of your own!

Know what folks, I really can't keep up with all your arguments. You see, I don't have a college degree and I can't debate an endless line of bullshit, point after point after nonproductive point. That's right, nonproductive, as in solves no problems whatsoever. Throwing stones at the "other side" will do nothing more than divert our attention from the real evil at hand. I find it ironic that we are so polarized in this country when we share so much common ground. We are all being destroyed by a common enemy, not one another. The truth is that our common enemy is a small minority, black and white, christian and non-christian, Republicans and Democrats. They are a small, diverse group of peop...

Know what folks, I really can't keep up with all your arguments. You see, I don't have a college degree and I can't debate an endless line of bullshit, point after point after nonproductive point. That's right, nonproductive, as in solves no problems whatsoever. Throwing stones at the "other side" will do nothing more than divert our attention from the real evil at hand. I find it ironic that we are so polarized in this country when we share so much common ground. We are all being destroyed by a common enemy, not one another. The truth is that our common enemy is a small minority, black and white, christian and non-christian, Republicans and Democrats. They are a small, diverse group of people who have only one very outstanding thing in common, they are filthy rich. And I'm not talking millions, I'm talking billions. Ask yourself who is benefiting the most by our countries problems right now and that is our "common enemy". But don't let me interupt you with something important like actually doing something to save the United States, let me rephrase that, OUR United States. Get It?

Um, twit? The people getting the most entitlements and public money are the richest 1% of the population. The very fact that you aren't screaming at the top of your furry lungs about that is proof that you have no freaking clue as to what is really going on. The money paid to the needy is a drop in the bucket compared to what the government is dishing out to rich individuals and companies with no strings attached!!

the facts of the matter is I HAVE been screaming at the top of my lungs about this very thing. BUT...

Eaglewings, you are a clueless patsy for the rich; repeating the
propaganda they feed you after deluding you into thinking that the poor
are the source of a...

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Um, twit? The people getting the most entitlements and public money are the richest 1% of the population. The very fact that you aren't screaming at the top of your furry lungs about that is proof that you have no freaking clue as to what is really going on. The money paid to the needy is a drop in the bucket compared to what the government is dishing out to rich individuals and companies with no strings attached!!

the facts of the matter is I HAVE been screaming at the top of my lungs about this very thing. BUT...

Eaglewings, you are a clueless patsy for the rich; repeating the
propaganda they feed you after deluding you into thinking that the poor
are the source of all evil in the world, even as you do their evil
bidding. You are helping them stay rich beyond all reasonable means.
Feel proud of yourself; you're a patsy.

I do not believe I sad the poor where the source of all evil in the world. I did say BIG GOVERNMENT is, or socialism is, or something to that effect, but you would have had to actually read what I wrote to have understood that. BUT...

I hope you do not work for me because if you do you won't be for long considering I am one of them RICH people you like to bash.

Ah, so that explains it all. Eaglewings, you're part of the source, trying to con the Middle Class into enhancing your own riches by trying to get them to convince the government to reduce your rightful taxes. Everything suddenly snaps into place.

Oh, and I consider being called mental by the champion antisocial lunatic, Chestnut to be high praise.

You've both bought in to the right-wing, McCarthy-boosted misdefinition of socialism, and have proven that you are either too stubborn, too stupid and too scared to find out what it really is, because socialism is making life better for millions of people around the world every day. The tyranny of a wholly capitalist system is causing misery and...

Ah, so that explains it all. Eaglewings, you're part of the source, trying to con the Middle Class into enhancing your own riches by trying to get them to convince the government to reduce your rightful taxes. Everything suddenly snaps into place.

Oh, and I consider being called mental by the champion antisocial lunatic, Chestnut to be high praise.

You've both bought in to the right-wing, McCarthy-boosted misdefinition of socialism, and have proven that you are either too stubborn, too stupid and too scared to find out what it really is, because socialism is making life better for millions of people around the world every day. The tyranny of a wholly capitalist system is causing misery and suffering in the US every day, and here you two are, declaring how proud you are of being part of the cause of that suffering. It's disgusting!

Ah, so that explains it all. Eaglewings, you're part of the source, trying to con the Middle Class into enhancing your own riches by trying to get them to convince the government to reduce your rightful taxes. Everything suddenly snaps into place.

As opposed to you wanting to raise taxes upon the working people so that you can sit on your butt and smoke dope? You are the hater. You are the greedy one. If you spent as much time and energy actually working toward achievement you might actually become rich like others who work hard.

Capitalism has brought about a great deal to this world. Heck you would not be able to type your nonsensical comments on this forum if it where not...

Ah, so that explains it all. Eaglewings, you're part of the source, trying to con the Middle Class into enhancing your own riches by trying to get them to convince the government to reduce your rightful taxes. Everything suddenly snaps into place.

As opposed to you wanting to raise taxes upon the working people so that you can sit on your butt and smoke dope? You are the hater. You are the greedy one. If you spent as much time and energy actually working toward achievement you might actually become rich like others who work hard.

Capitalism has brought about a great deal to this world. Heck you would not be able to type your nonsensical comments on this forum if it where not for capitalism inventing the computer.

Capitalism has bailed out more poor people around the world then socialism has. In fact socialism causes the spread of misery and poverty. But you really do not care about that all you want is someone to make you feel better by ATTACKING the rich. AND guess what darkeforce, after all these attacks are done you would not have gained one dollar toward wealth.

Yup socialism works everywhere it is tried, it works to spread misery and poverty. It creates the largest gap between the rich and the poor anywhere on earth.

No, I want the people who have taken advantage of the society that government has made possible to pay their fair share of the tax, rather than just pay about 1/10th of that, as they pay now.

OH no we might actually agree. I want the freeloaders of our society to pay their fair share of taxes as well. The BOTTOM 40% that pay no taxes at all but receive a REBATE CHECK each year. Now I ask you if you do not pay anything how the hell do you get a check back? And then the next 10% who bitch and holler about those of us who pay for their lazy asses I want them to pay their fair share as well. So I propose a flat tax. Everyone pays. Everyone pays the same rate. No one gets a REBATE ...

No, I want the people who have taken advantage of the society that government has made possible to pay their fair share of the tax, rather than just pay about 1/10th of that, as they pay now.

OH no we might actually agree. I want the freeloaders of our society to pay their fair share of taxes as well. The BOTTOM 40% that pay no taxes at all but receive a REBATE CHECK each year. Now I ask you if you do not pay anything how the hell do you get a check back? And then the next 10% who bitch and holler about those of us who pay for their lazy asses I want them to pay their fair share as well. So I propose a flat tax. Everyone pays. Everyone pays the same rate. No one gets a REBATE check and no one is exempt.

You all benefit from roads and bridges and police and fire so PAY FOR IT YOU FREELOADER! I am tired of paying for everyones FREE LUNCH.

That is what you meant right BLACKEFORCE?

If you want an example of full communism, it's only ever existed in small communes of monks. There, it works perfectly; which is a lot more than Capitalism can ever say. It's never worked well for everyone involved. In Capitalism, there are always losers that come out worse off as a result. It's the nature of the beast; someone prospers, and someone suffers.

Your ignorant mockery aside, Capitalism has shown plenty of examples of how it is the absolute worst system in the world when it comes to prosperity of a nation and social justice. The best system is a melding of controlled capitalism and sensible socialism. That is the financial makeup of the countries that are currently the most stabl...

If you want an example of full communism, it's only ever existed in small communes of monks. There, it works perfectly; which is a lot more than Capitalism can ever say. It's never worked well for everyone involved. In Capitalism, there are always losers that come out worse off as a result. It's the nature of the beast; someone prospers, and someone suffers.

Your ignorant mockery aside, Capitalism has shown plenty of examples of how it is the absolute worst system in the world when it comes to prosperity of a nation and social justice. The best system is a melding of controlled capitalism and sensible socialism. That is the financial makeup of the countries that are currently the most stable and prosperous in the world right now. So, there is your example of what actual works.

Your last post shows your utter ignorance and contempt for your fellow man, and shows you as nothing but a social disease in the nation. That kind of bullshoi is straight out of the propaganda departments of the richest 1%, as they con fools like you into pushing to try to get government to give them more and more breaks from their rightful taxes. You are a part of the problem that has well over a million people in the US living in poverty. The strawman of "The American Slacker" doesn't exist. The vast majority of the people getting those rebates work harder than you ever dreamt of on the worst day of your life, for piddling little scraps, because people like you pay them starvation wages, forcing them to have 2, 3 or more jobs just to make ends meet. And yet, people like you block any attempts to raise the minimum wage, forcing you to actually pay people what they're really worth.

You make me sick.

Thank you dark you actually proved my point perfectly. It is pitiful people like you which are the dregs on this society. All you can do is whine whine whine and bemoan your meager existence because you have this inflated idea that for some reason just because you exists someone OWES you something. IF you feel a monastery is such a great place to live join up.

And your belief that the system of government that made this country the greatest country ever in the history of humankind is so rotten (like your President seems to think) you are just a miserable excuse for a citizen. We would be far better off if you would move to one of those BETTER COUNTRIES and leave the UNITED STATES to the res...

Thank you dark you actually proved my point perfectly. It is pitiful people like you which are the dregs on this society. All you can do is whine whine whine and bemoan your meager existence because you have this inflated idea that for some reason just because you exists someone OWES you something. IF you feel a monastery is such a great place to live join up.

And your belief that the system of government that made this country the greatest country ever in the history of humankind is so rotten (like your President seems to think) you are just a miserable excuse for a citizen. We would be far better off if you would move to one of those BETTER COUNTRIES and leave the UNITED STATES to the rest of us who actually believe this is a GREAT COUNTRY.

Hugo and Castro would love to have you within their socialist paradise. They would make sure that you got what you were worth. NOTHING!

Now then to all those people who traveled great distances to make their way to America where they knew if they worked hard they could achieve the American dream. I welcome you to our shores. To the whiners and malcontents I suggest that you learn a lesson from our immigrants. Shut up! Roll up your sleeves! Get to work! Work Hard! Contribute to your communities and stop looking for a HAND OUT!

there are always losers that come out worse off as a result. It's the nature of the beast; someone prospers, and someone suffers.

This is called life. Get used to it! THERE will be poor amongst us always, thus saith the Lord! The only real losers are those who sit around all day begging for a hand out and REFUSE to take responsibility for their own lot in life.

There is no one in this country telling you you can not prosper. The only one prohibiting your success dark is yourself. A change of attitude would go a long way toward your success in life.

But as long as you look for someone else to HELP YOU OUT you will always been enslaved to whomever you turn to for your handout...

there are always losers that come out worse off as a result. It's the nature of the beast; someone prospers, and someone suffers.

This is called life. Get used to it! THERE will be poor amongst us always, thus saith the Lord! The only real losers are those who sit around all day begging for a hand out and REFUSE to take responsibility for their own lot in life.

There is no one in this country telling you you can not prosper. The only one prohibiting your success dark is yourself. A change of attitude would go a long way toward your success in life.

But as long as you look for someone else to HELP YOU OUT you will always been enslaved to whomever you turn to for your handouts. This is what you are advocating for the entire country, enslavement to a centralized government. THAT IS NOT WHAT AMERICA IS!

I'll do this for you dark. You just tell me WHICH COUNTRY you think has it all together and I will personally pay for you to move there!

Typical American Arrogance, there Eaglewings. Getting upset because the peasants are revolting against your oppressive regime, your majesty?

You are a prime example of how Capitalism has created a new, oppressive feudal society, with ignorant, arrogant rich people holding all the power.

I'm glad to say that I don't live in the US. I live in a country that is proud of being a Social Democracy. However, that doesn't mean I can't be pissed off at how assholes like you are treating your fellow citizens. There are well over a million Americans living in poverty, and yet you sit there, channelling money away from them; money that they need to recover and live just a very basic quality of life. O...

Typical American Arrogance, there Eaglewings. Getting upset because the peasants are revolting against your oppressive regime, your majesty?

You are a prime example of how Capitalism has created a new, oppressive feudal society, with ignorant, arrogant rich people holding all the power.

I'm glad to say that I don't live in the US. I live in a country that is proud of being a Social Democracy. However, that doesn't mean I can't be pissed off at how assholes like you are treating your fellow citizens. There are well over a million Americans living in poverty, and yet you sit there, channelling money away from them; money that they need to recover and live just a very basic quality of life. Oh, but they're none of your business, now are they? They should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and just get rich like you, right? That sentiment was offencive and ignorant when the bourgeois originally started saying it, and it's just as offencive today. They're fellow human beings, and they're suffering! But what do you care? You've shown nothing but contempt for your fellow human beings.

It's no wonder that Jesus said it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

I'm glad to say that I don't live in the US.

I have to admit that I am glad as well. Therefore I shall discount everything you have said. You call me arrogant and yet you do not even live here and you got your NERVE to throw stones are our way of life. When you slam America you are slamming those very poor people you seem to pretend to care about. I know you are concerned for their welfare that is why you have personally contributed to help the poor amongst us. How much have you given to American charity this past year again? What country did you say you were from? Oh that's right you didn't must not be that proud of it to not mention it out loud! HOW much aide is your great ...

I'm glad to say that I don't live in the US.

I have to admit that I am glad as well. Therefore I shall discount everything you have said. You call me arrogant and yet you do not even live here and you got your NERVE to throw stones are our way of life. When you slam America you are slamming those very poor people you seem to pretend to care about. I know you are concerned for their welfare that is why you have personally contributed to help the poor amongst us. How much have you given to American charity this past year again? What country did you say you were from? Oh that's right you didn't must not be that proud of it to not mention it out loud! HOW much aide is your great society sending to America to help the poor amongst us? How does that compare to the billions we send around the world to help those who are less fortunate then we. Probably billions have come to your country from which you most likely partake of.

And then you sit there on your HIGH horse and dare judge us! You got some nerve. Mind your own business and we shall take care of ours! We do look after our own. The poorest among us are still far better off then anywhere else in the world. In fact the poorest American is richer than 2/3 of the world's population. Even in places where CAPITALISM had nothing to do with their economy their people live in filth and squalor. Perhaps you should clean up your own backyard. Remove the log from your own eye and then perhaps you will be able to see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbors eye.

channelling money away from them; money that they need to recover and live just a very basic quality of life.

You have no clue what I do with my money. Again mind your own business. I am sure your Utopian society has its share of problems. I know of one BIG ONE, you! Good day and good bye darkeforce. Thank God you do not live here!

Nice of you to prove how insular and closed-minded you are by saying that non-Americans can't be right. We know what your mindset is quite well, your highness.

I have to mind your business, because you're not doing it. YOU are contributing to poverty in America. Poor people are just as worth of enjoying the benefits of America as you are, but by hoarding money, you are denying them that. When's the last time you donated money to an American Charity, like the March of Dimes? Was it more than half of your net worth? If not, then you're a hypocrite.

The fact that capitalism isn't the only source of poverty does not strengthen your naïve point of view at all. Capitalism is still ...

Nice of you to prove how insular and closed-minded you are by saying that non-Americans can't be right. We know what your mindset is quite well, your highness.

I have to mind your business, because you're not doing it. YOU are contributing to poverty in America. Poor people are just as worth of enjoying the benefits of America as you are, but by hoarding money, you are denying them that. When's the last time you donated money to an American Charity, like the March of Dimes? Was it more than half of your net worth? If not, then you're a hypocrite.

The fact that capitalism isn't the only source of poverty does not strengthen your naïve point of view at all. Capitalism is still one of the leading causes of poverty, and there are very few places in this world that don't feel the power and corruption of capitalism.

Do your fellow citizens a favour, and use that money you were going to spend on me to build a house for someone homeless. Maybe then you'll stop being part of the problem... at least to a very small degree.