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1-17-2007 11:47 AM
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For anyone who dares to call peaceful protesters wackos or delusional, I would dare to differ and perhaps even call them cowards or traitors. The whole article is worth a read. These considerations would aptly apply to anyone, anywhere and in any country. Always.
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1-17-2007 2:42 PM
ekorstanje
Good article, these are power unheard of in the history of this country. Clearly unconstitutional, but just today in a article I clipped, the Attorney General is saying that judges have to right to rule on terrorism cases, just the president our fearless leader. If these people are not facists i don't no what you can call them then?
1-17-2007 2:43 PM
ekorstanje
Correction, Judges have no right to rule in terror cases.
1-17-2007 2:45 PM
sparlingphoto
Mark Twain wrote, "In the beginning of a
change, the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing
to be a patriot."
Is this a description of President George W Bush?
1-17-2007 2:52 PM
sparlingphoto
BTW, President Lincoln suspended habeus corpus in certain areas during the Civil War.
1-17-2007 2:53 PM
sparlingphoto
Pardon the typo...habeas corpus
1-17-2007 3:36 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Is this a description of President George W Bush?
Is he respecting human rights or upholding and respecting and defending the law or the constitution? (Are YOU?)

Uhm... I would say the answer to you question is so obviously apparent and can only ever be a big fat NO. Since you can even ask such a question, I suppose your answer to MY question would be, that you are just a Loyalist? Hmm? Naaa, I'm of the opinion, that you are one, or both, of the two other words I would use to describe non-patriots.
1-17-2007 3:43 PM
ratilfar
Yes, President Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus and got slapped down by the Supreme Court for doing it. Don't disrespect the memory of a great man with the name of a lousy one. If nothing else, George is like Jackson or Polk, to very bad Presidents....
1-17-2007 4:14 PM
sparlingphoto
Not sure why I am answering Ms taken since you have taken to answering for me...however, it appears to me that you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing me of. The following came to mind when I read your comment:

And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves
lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't
talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that
wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the
backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a
punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain
myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of th[b]...
1-17-2007 4:22 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
That comment is as grotesque and incomprehensible to me, as you are. How you can condone the undermining of the very things you CLAIM to be defending by taking to weapons?!?

And no...I definitely don't want OR need the likes of you on my wall! You know nothing of honour at all!
And as for saying thank you? You can kiss my *'**!!
1-17-2007 4:38 PM
sparlingphoto
For the record, I did not say that I agreed with Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus. I only brought up the fact because Lincoln was quoted in the clip. Lincoln was actually "slapped down" by a circuit court which he ignored.

Appears you've kind of lost your cool, Mstaken...I apologize for not attributing the last part of the quote as coming from the movie, "A Few Good Men". I thought you would recognize it.

It truly amazes me how the party of "tolerance" can be so intolerant. Wasn't that the message behind the post? Who is really so blinded by their loyalties that they can't/won't look at the other side? Enjoy your liberty!
1-17-2007 4:47 PM
Thorne
tolerance is good. let's try it here. Especially in this context, it makes no sense to protest war and then act in the microcosm as we were at war. Peace, peeps. It's a great article.
1-17-2007 4:59 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
Being anti-war or defending what's right and just by no account means I cannot get as outraged or horrified or angry as the next!

I just don't feel the need or see the necessity or the justification for picking up a gun or breaking the law or killing my "enemies" or destroying freedom or undermining justice, just to get my way!

And no, I didn't recognise the movie quote. A movie using that sort of language would NOT be on my "must watch" list, I reckon!
1-17-2007 5:05 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
(PS) I am blinded by no other loyalty, that to the loyalty of justice and peace. No man, no government, no-one has my loyalty, if these basics are not upheld by them and I HAVE looked to the other side, I just don't like what I see. The answer to all our problems is not war, or killing or breaking the law or anything. You may try to justify it as "necessary", but it is needless and only worsens the thick we are already in. Violence or law-breaking or unconstitutional behaviours or breaches of human rights or liberties are just plain wrong. Wrong!
1-17-2007 5:10 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
And I do apologise for losing my cool, but the "you should thank me" bit was just a little too.....well... what word to use here?... just too much....i reckon you know what I mean
1-17-2007 8:00 PM
njoelhickson
Patriot..currently biding my time masquerading as a loyalist...
12-25-2008 3:24 AM
51Cards
"For anyone who dares to call peaceful protesters wackos or delusional, I would dare to differ and perhaps even call them cowards or traitors."

Did no one learn anything from the 60's?
The only thing PEACEFUL protest will get is a criminal record IF your lucky.
If your not so lucky it will get you beaten,jailed, or even killed by those people who are charged to protect and defend you.
Local and state authorities are only the tip of the iceburg next the FBI, BATFE,and the PRESS will smear your name and find you an unmarked grave.
NO! "Peaceful Protest" is not Patriotic it's as Moronic as martyrdom. For the Patriot to stand he must first be called a terrorist for defending OUR constitution.
12-25-2008 3:52 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Do names like this mean anything to you?

Mandela, Ghandi, Rosa Parks, Martin Luther King, etc...

Do you think change would ever have come about without peaceful protest?
If your not so lucky it will get you beaten,jailed, or even killed by those people who are charged to protect and defend you.
So what? You would rather cower in fear? I think it's a very sad state of affairs, when you fear your government, more than they fear you.
12-25-2008 4:00 AM
51Cards
I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same.
An Oath Many have sworn, and some will be called upon to uphold. I've heard every one of those names tell me one who's works actually made a change. NONE! Every change attributed to each was the result of riots and fighting because of their treatment or death!
12-25-2008 4:18 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
I say every single one of them, was a conduit to change. Unless you wish to break laws yourself, then peaceful protest must be your only weapon. Or do you suggest people just give up and be *owned*?

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established shoul...
12-25-2008 4:39 AM
51Cards
"It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"

I will do my duty. Words and sit ins will not cut it.
Many watch to see if peaceful means (myself included) are attainable through Barack Obama. My thought is it MAY be possible, IF he does as he claims, but do not be fooled, Change IS Coming either voluntarily or on impact.
Just so we get the facts straight. I'm a white southern male who Voted Barack Obama for change,change I hope will include restoring our constitutional rights and prevent the civil war that is threatening to break out as this country falls apart before our eyes each day. This time it will be for ALL Americans freedom.
ARE YOU A PATRIOT? or a Loyalist?
12-25-2008 4:48 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Well, I'm not an American patriot, since I'm not American, haha, but I am not sure I understand you mean, then. Are you suggesting armed uprising? Revolution?

Where I live, (Western Europe) we are able to achieve the change we want, through protests and general strikes, etc.

With the weaponry the US government is in possession of, any breaking of laws will only justify any and all violent actions taken by the government to suppress an insurrection and make the citizenry sitting ducks and powerless, anyway.
12-25-2008 4:52 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
If you keep things legal, then at least you can hope for the support of the international community. If not, I am sure any violent actions taken by the citizenry will just be labelled "terrorism". Freedom fighters do not exist anymore, they are always labelled terrorists, it seems.
12-25-2008 4:54 AM
51Cards
This would be true IF the military they depend on weren't just as oppressed as the rest of us. the way our veterans are treated is atrocious and their families are even worse especially during these conflicts. No if Civil War comes to America again they'll have little or no military to defend the criminals in Washington.
12-25-2008 4:55 AM
51Cards
Hence my first statement.
12-25-2008 5:00 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
I have heard, NOT to expect the military to stand by the people. Militaries rarely do, they are trained to just obey orders. IF, as you say, they are as disgruntled and as opposed to the government as you hope, then just the mere fact they are on the citizenry's side, should make violence unnecessary, wouldn't it? I mean, who would they fight against? Loyalists with far less training and weaponry?
12-25-2008 5:10 AM
51Cards
If you check out most revolutions regardless of where. The whole military is not of one mind it's split just like everyone else each will have to pick a side or become neutral. Peaceful means just have never worked in this country or any other I know of when dealing with a corrupt government.(they won't relinquish power easily We are living in very dangerous times here and they know it, as is proven by our prison rolls, (the fastest growing business in the US) fortunately they can't lock everyone up. Time for bed it's 5am here, maybe We'll continue this after Christmas. I'll save the link.
12-25-2008 5:15 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
The whole military is not of one mind
You're right. I agree... and I do see your point. The thought of revolution just scares the bajeezes out of me, especially considering the weaponry owned by the military.

Stay safe, sleep well and Merry Christmas! .

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