 cniq_cniq says: "Upon his release from jail, he was exiled to Alexandria. Later, in his books and memoirs, he recalled vividly a particular moment on the train, when an Arab acquaintance of his, whom he called Yeya Effendi, walked by and saw him waiting to leave. The men embraced, exchanged news and greetings, and then Yeya Effendi asked him where he was going." "Ben-Gurion told him that he was being exiled, ordered never to return to Jerusalem. Yeya Effendi held him in the embrace of a true friend, mourning his loss of their shared city. Then he looked at Ben-Gurion and said something that Ben-Gurion pondered for the entire train ride to Alexandria. 'As your friend, I am sad,' Yeya Effendi told him. 'But as an Arab, I rejoice.' " Be careful not to mistake racism for religious intolerance. Seldom have Jews been persecuted for the religious tennents of Judaism. Instead, it is their status as outsiders that has been at the root of their many tragic persecutions. It is generally agreed that persecuting People of the Book is not part of Islamic doctrine. Ben Gurion was exiled by a political ruler, not a cleric or a religious court. So it's okay to be racist so long as you're religiously tolerant? As far as to who exiled Ben Gurion, read the response of Yeya Effendi, "But as an Arab, I rejoice." That is the point of the story, not the exile itself. Certainly not, but I think a racist will still be a racist regardless of faith. My greater point is that racists tend to try to cloak their vulgar discrimination in the authority of religion, in no small part because their opinions are indefensible. Racism is a very crass and mundane phenomenon, and in my opinion, although religion is often used to justify it, I don't think anyone can honestly make the case that religion leads to racism. (Although many still do, without looking at the facts.) Good points. My only purpose in clips like this is to counter the pet propaganda of many on the left in the West claiming that Islam is uncritically a religion of peace, especially in comparison to those nasty Christians. I should clarify, however, that my argument is not with Islam. It is with those more appropriately identified at different times as Jihadists, Islamists or Islaomofascists. I should clarify, however, that my argument is not with Islam - cniq_cniqMay I ask then why do you have your clip tittled the way you have? I usually don't shy away from discussing religion here but I tend to ignore misguided titles like yours, but you have all the right to malign any religion of your choice. Well, if you read the sentence prior to the one you quoted, you'll find the answer to your question. There is some very interesting research I've heard being done on Jihadis in Pakistan and the Kashmere. From what I've heard, there is (perhaps predictably) little connection between Islam and the Jihadi movement in the region, which is focused very specifically on local political and social issues. It is a worthwhile distinction that Cniq_Cniq is trying to draw, even if he didn't make it clear in the title of the clip. I personally don't like the use of Islamofascists, because it's a catchphrase that has little connection to actual Islam or actual fascism. I also prefer to be more precise than to say Islamists, which is a blanket statement ignoring underlying differences between often oppo... |
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