Curiouser and curiouser. Mars is warming - losing the ice of a polar cap - while Earth is showing its own warming effects. Some scientists insist their models prove the culpability of human activity. Also that the sun's activity is not involved. But I wonder if solar activity that is not sufficiently understood could be having a causative effect on the apparent warming of both planets. But then I'm always skeptical when proof is asserted, especially if political or other risky action is justified on that basis. Even more so if there is a lot of political money behind it.

I'd like to point out that like 56% of Americans still believe (or believed at one time) that there were WMDs in Iraq, this was AFTER the administration had admitted there were none. So let's not put our faith in an "audience"... It's all about how you spin a story to an audience. The better the spin the better the result.

I'd like to point out that like 56% of Americans still believe (or
believed at one time) that there were WMDs in Iraq, this was AFTER the
administration had admitted there were none. So let's not put our faith
in an "audience"... It's all about how you spin a story to an audience.
The better the spin the better the result.

Since you brought up WMD, would you apply the same logic to the Demo claim that their desire to pull out of Iraq is the "will of the American people"? Or does such logic only apply to arguments that counter one's own agenda?

Let the evidence speaks for itself.

I like this idea of taking a vote to solve all of the mysteries. Is the moon made of cheese? I vote yes.

I like this idea of taking a vote to solve all of the mysteries. Is the moon made of cheese? I vote yes.

And you have just summed up consensus science.

I'd like to point out that like 56% of Americans still believe (or believed at one time) that there were WMDs in Iraq

I'd like to point out that we are talking about science here, not intelligence or the mirage of consensus. In fact, you illustrate clearly the folly of consensus since it was virtually unanimous consensus there were WMD in Iraq.

Sophistry wins again. Hooray!

Whatever is going on with climate change, the question is what is worth doing about it. If radical measures are taken which trash the economy or seriously attack the car culture there will be trendy politicians and perhaps even scientists being lynched. It will be exacerbated by people learning that China (now the largest polluter) declines to moderate its explosive growth or curb its rising share of world pollution.

virtually unanimous consensus there were WMD in Iraq.

I think you missed the point.. but, no, go ahead & make some comeback about how, no, I missed the pint & blah blah blah...

I never claimed to "catch" the point you were making TCW. I was making my very own, brand new, shiny point all by myself.