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7-3-2007 6:45 AM2337 views
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7-3-2007 8:11 AM
Kore7
Fake crying is one of the earliest forms of deception to emerge, and infants use it to get attention even though nothing is wrong. You can tell, as they will then pause while they wait to hear if their mother is responding, before crying again.
Great clip, wildcat!
7-3-2007 8:13 AM
dfiskey
i have an almost 3 year old, and i can attest first hand that children learn to lie earlier than 4!!!
7-3-2007 9:08 AM
BigBadWolf
I watched a show on this a while back and I totally believe babies are already manipulating parents as early as 12 weeks old.
7-3-2007 9:26 AM
indolin
I wish they would do a study to see if, in general, rich people are more tolerant of lying in their children. Deception seems to flow out of them so effortlessly.
7-3-2007 9:32 AM
ericskiff
Hmm... Crying even though nothing is wrong could be reinterpreted as "using the only tool they've got to ask for what they want" but it definitely displays an awareness of the relationship between their actions and outcomes. Crazy that it begins happening so young!
7-3-2007 9:52 AM
bignosemousie
Until now, psychologists had thought the developing brains were not capable of the difficult art of lying until four years old.
I guess none of those "experts" had children. Dfiskey, I know what you mean. My almost 4-year-old has a pretty good grasp at lying to cover her own behind. What amazes me is how gullible a child can think her parent is!
7-3-2007 10:00 AM
michellezm
Just as well I'm not a mother, they could walk all over me with impunity simply because they are so tiny and so cute!
7-3-2007 10:06 AM
enbar
I don't believe that most experts thought lying began at four. That's just bad reporting. Being a book junkie, I read several books by "experts" on child-rearing around the time my first child was born, and they all agreed that lying becomes possible sometime around eighteen months. It's still an interesting finding, since it does contradict conventional wisdom, but I wonder how good the rest of the information is if they can start off the article with something that far wrong. I also think that there's a difference between lying -- which involves language -- and deception -- which is a much broader idea. It's funny that we refer to this behavior as "fake" crying, as if babies were supposed ...
7-3-2007 10:31 AM
farmertan
I am also *ahem* a book lover and I read the entire spectrum of parenting books, finally landing somewhere that I believe is moderate. The term "lying" does seem very inexact to me, and I like the term "deception" better...but maybe there's an even better way to say it. I know my own 8 month old would deliberately whack herself on the head with a hard toy in order to hurt herself so that she could bring tears to her eyes. I found this behavior disturbing, to say the least, but I definitely think that it comes from a lack of language skills. It is completely unfair to a child for her parents to think of her as "manipulating" them. She just doesn't have any other way to express herself. ...
7-3-2007 11:55 AM
jussyRider
I don't mean to diminish the species by comparing us to animals but I have found that humans are so mush like puppies that it is absolutely amazing.

I had a pup that was about 10 mos. old and I would put her outside on a tie. I watched out the window as she would dig holes. Then I would go to the front door (on a different side of the house) and round the corner to where she could see me coming. She had heard me coming and had walked a ways away from where she had perpetrated the act and laid down as if she was doing absolutely nothing.

This is when I realized that animals too can lie. I could be self preservation.
7-3-2007 2:13 PM
hereoz
Please excuse but this messiantic accepts this as collaboration of "there are no innocents"!.
7-3-2007 7:14 PM
sidegik
hahaha, funny headline!
7-4-2007 3:38 AM
paroles32
most experts thought lying began at four
paroles - http://www.paroles32.com/paroles/various-artists/index.php
7-4-2007 2:58 PM
pibita
Anyone who has been around babies or has them can say DUH to these experts. Crying is one of the tools that babies use, for example. My 2 year old cousin will start crying and point to her older brothers when she brakes something, mommy and daddy hold her and she gets away with it; she's learned to avoid punishment and be rewarded for it! Smart kid!
7-4-2007 4:54 PM
axelsenzon
i cracked up when I read the headine. most people have thought of most of this, I would think. The thing about lieing, its very obvious they do but a child will usually not lie about something important the way an adult might. Thats a big difference to me.
7-5-2007 12:30 PM
enbar
Is paroles32 a spam-bot?
8-6-2007 11:16 AM
michellelamar
THIS IS NEWS? I cracked up when I read the headline as most parents have known this for years. Love them but they are way smarter than we give them credit for.
8-11-2007 11:42 AM
sidegik
babies...they just fooled the adults...not each other.
8-11-2007 11:50 AM
sidegik
here are something to stimulate our thinking...could it be that adults are not perceptive enough to their needs, that babies had to resort to create different tactics, but not lies?...could it be that those actions were more proper, more intuitive than we (logically-minded adults) thought?
8-11-2007 4:30 PM
skwirlinator
Evil Babies
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