masbury says: The word was barely mentioned until Republicans needed a tool for stonewalling To me it seems this actually represents how slowly the details of the massive bill leaked out to the public. If you spend some time with the details, it's hard to deny the "pork." I don't think so. The "pork" allegations didn't begin on the street, but in the Senate. They knew. As the article points out, the Congressional GOP PR machine is much more sophisticated than was John McCain's. Obama lost control of the dialogue, and is only now gaining it back. He's learning. And what is pork, anyway? I have a hunch that those using this term are meaning simple "any project that helps somebody else's district more than it helps mine." You can call any building project pork if you want to. So you can call almost any stimulus plan pork if you're looking for a way to knock it off. Everything is pork to somebody. And what is pork, anyway? Everything is pork to somebody.Quite true. Trying to define pork reminds me of the following- In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not todayI think many people look at pork the same way. I define it as any wasteful or unnecessary government spending for political or unethical purposes. I don't see how anyone can take the position that there is not pork in the stimulus bill unless one does not accept the existence of pork at all. You're probably correct, but I think this bill - since the purpose is to get money out there doing things - is a particularly hard one in which to identify elements that are for "political or unethical purposes." Can you give an example? My hunch is that those who wish to stall the bill are calling things pork for "political or unethical" reasons of their own. A little bit about pork- Almost all pork contains some good elements. As you correctly pointed out, everything is pork to someone. Very little pork can be considered "purely evil." Because the stimulus package is being sold as a much needed boost to a severely damaged economy I would argue that everything in it is being done for political purposes. That by itself does not make pork. But it does lay a necessary foundation for the pork. To me the biggest issue is the out of control spending by the government which has not only spent all our money, it has also spent all our kid's money and two thirds of our grandchildren's money. Because of the massive amount of our national debt we are fun... I do see your point. But 1. Government spending is not money gone. It goes to jobs and roads and schools (all of which mean manufactured goods purchased) and to people employed, both of which mean government tax income and businesses able to stay solvent. Education spending, I've read, is thought to bring a 4 to 1 return on government investment. 2. I wouldn't get the idea that the choice is this much money or a lot less money. For the economic loss we're now experiencing is subtracting billions. Think of the costs of the half-million who went on unemployment just last month, who were, before, paying the bills. Stopping the bleeding is the goal - or we'll never pay off the deficit. And... You do make some very good points and I certainly hope you are correct. It is a risk - we have never faced a recession quite like this. ButI don't advocate doing nothing. I think the more intelligent risk rather then this increase in spending money we don't have would be to cut spending from the massively overgrown tumor known as the defense dept budget. We can afford very serious slashes in our military budget and will still be able to defend ourselves. After so many hundreds of millions seem to disappear after being misp... Yeah - I hope I'm right, too! Guess we'll see. Meanwhile, I completely agree with your take on DOD spending. We could spend half as much and be better protected, I believe. |
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