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10-15-2007 7:53 AM
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10-15-2007 10:03 AM
jax twinblade
I never thought I would say this:
go back to school kidz or even better: gohome and play some video games while listening to Hard Rock!!
10-15-2007 11:09 AM
BartendingBear
It really is sad.
10-15-2007 11:13 AM
arifsali
Add one from another religion to this, they call it a miracle, so adults go home and relax. Pathetic state of affairs.
10-15-2007 12:18 PM
JohnWaterman
Thanks for the link arifsali. Clearly a bright kid, but the exploitation and indoctrination of such young children is so sad.
10-15-2007 12:57 PM
Nerfzilla
I agree...this is child abuse.
10-15-2007 2:29 PM
Uniec
Of course it is child abuse - and it's serious.
10-15-2007 3:38 PM
jstates1
This is ridiculous. The Bible is clear that a pastor ("bishop" is the word used, actually) is to be "the husband of one wife."

I don't think these kids fit that bill.

It is child abuse.
10-15-2007 5:36 PM
Uniec
How can their parents accept this as true religious feelings? The children are more like trained monkeys (sorry, cute preacher kids!) and can't be fully aware of what they are doing as they must be imitating the grown-ups.
10-15-2007 6:09 PM
davboz
(Whaddya know, arif? A little common ground.)

It IS abusive.
Just as it is to envelop young kids in ANY extremist ideology.
Like marching them down to demonstrations and having them scream radical, hateful, and threatening words; holding signs, etc.
That's just one example.
10-15-2007 7:52 PM
Monkfishy
Good grief! Yes, you've got to indoctrinate them young, before they develop the ability to apply reason.
10-15-2007 9:34 PM
arifsali
Common ground is always good, davboz
10-16-2007 11:29 AM
AcesLucky
Why is it abuse if what they're learning and preaching is true?

Would it be child abuse if these kids were child prodigies of music, physics, or could crack complex mathematical code?

Parents can be relentless with their child's education to the point of abuse, regardless of the field.

What is it exactly that makes "religion" abusive when forced on children?

10-16-2007 4:35 PM
Uniec
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This is YouTube and it says it all, I think.
10-16-2007 4:49 PM
arifsali
What is it exactly that makes "religion" abusive when forced on children?
AcesLucky, nothing, really. However, I wouldn't use the word abusive in this context. Teaching religion to kids is not abusive. I see where you're coming from and where you're going with it, but your comment doesn't seem within the context here.
10-16-2007 5:39 PM
BartendingBear
Giving an assist to Uniec, here is the link he posted to the trailer on YouTube for the movie Jesus Camp.
10-16-2007 6:07 PM
AcesLucky
Teaching religion to kids is not abusive. I see where you're coming from and where you're going with it, but your comment doesn't seem within the context here.
Oh contraire, tis quite within the context here.

Many of us DO think forcing religion on children is child abuse. The question is why is forcing religion onto children abusive when forcing academics is not.

There is an underlying morality to this.
10-17-2007 1:33 PM
Reddragonlady
This strikes me as more acting than religion. That is not to say that these kids don't genuinely believe what they are saying, but clearly they are performers. In that regard they are no more abused than any other child actors. I just hope that they don't fall prey (pray? ) to the same emotional problems that drive child actors to drugs and worse as they grow older.
10-17-2007 2:10 PM
skwirlinator
Would it be child abuse if these kids were child prodigies of music, physics, or could crack complex mathematical code?
YES
10-17-2007 2:24 PM
skwirlinator
Explotation of an child to be something for the entertainment of a 'cause' is against the nature of being a child. Children are immature and impressionable. When a mature adult or adults cause for the child to act in a way that is against their normal learning curve it can be nothing but abuse. There is nothing wrong with a child being active in their church, school or community. There is something wrong when the child takes on the responsibilities that need to be handled by a mature, experienced adult.
How many time are children in these situations conflicted with biased information forced upon them by adults. If they refuse to agree (puberty) then are they punished for not following direct...
10-19-2007 12:52 PM
AcesLucky
@skwirlinator

I believe you are correct.

I just think there is something slightly more sinister forcing a child to believe and accept something that cannot be verified. And then forcing them to act in a certain way (sometimes in an evil way) because of it.

It's just low.

A child has no defense against it.
10-24-2007 6:48 PM
Monkfishy
I don't think this is literally "child abuse." However, I don't think dhildren should be sent out to preach to people for the same reason that they shouldn't be sent door-to-door handing out campaign flyers for political candidates. It's exploitive and unethical. Children aren't old enough to vote, and neither are they old enough to make informed decisions about religious beliefs. I certainly don't want someone who still believes in Santa Claus telling me about how real Jesus is, too. Not only that, but to me, proselytizing is just plain selling something. I don't think children should be sent out to sell Amway, insurance, junk bonds, or time-share condos, either.
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