ratilfar says: I wonder why they are so quiet? Amazing the tripe that passes for news in the main-stream media. Thanks for the clip. I recall a quote from Oliver Stone's movie 'Nixon' : Nixon shuffles back alone, coming to a stop in front of a larger-than-life, full-length oil portrait of JOHN F. KENNEDY. Nixon studies the portrait, pads closer. Looks up. NIXON When they look at you, they see what they want to be. (then) When they look at me, they see what they are ... Yep, well it's time to change who we are! Oh, I don't know, perhaps they backed off the story because they couldn't verify the story. Not that NBC has been real big on that lately and CBS has never been too keen on the truth (see Dan Rather). Errm....the story is that their not reporting on the Senate Report. Ergo, picking up the senate report is all the "backing up" you need. Maybe because it contains gems like this. Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other al Qaeda-related terrorist members were substantiated by the intelligence assessments.and this Postwar information supports prewar assessments and statements that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad and that al Qaeda was present in northern Iraq.and this [q... Really? Except that Zarqawi was stationed in the NE section of the country and outside of the reach of Saddam Hussein, since the area was controled by the Kurds. Also on the very first page of the report: The Committee’s report cites several conclusions in which the Administration’s public statements were NOT supported by the intelligence. They include: Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence[b]... But wait, there is more: Additionally, the Committee issued a report on the Intelligence Activities Relating to Iraq conducted by the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group and the Office of Special Plans within the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. The report found that the clandestine meetings between Pentagon officials and Iranians in Rome and Paris were inappropriate and mishandled from beginning to end. Deputy National Security Advisor Steve Hadley and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz failed to keep the Intelligence Community and the State Department appropriately informed about the meetings. The involvement of [u]Manucher G[b]... The conclusion of the report is as follows: The committee's investigation into prewar intelligence on Iraq has revealed that the Bush administration's case for war in Iraq was fundamentally misleading.Some of its key findins below: The committee found that there was no credible information that Iraq was complicit or had foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks or any other al-Qaida strike anywhere. The committee also found that Iraq did not provide chemical or biological weapons training or any material or operational support to al-Qaida prior to the war. Key pieces of evidence used by the administration asserting links between Iraq an... Not to mention the President's own words: The President said Wednesday, just this week, that:
But wait there is more (with link): The CIA assessed in January of 2003 that Saddam viewed al-Qaida with ``deep suspicion'' and stated that: And the piece du resistance: In March of 2003, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said there was a ``very strong link to training al-Qaida in chemical and biological weapons techniques, we know from a detainee that--the head of training for al-Qaida, that they sought help in developing chemical and... Cont... United States, it's allies and it's people. The answer is: NO! Thus the lies. And for those who would try a end run this undeniable fact I have just one more quote for y'all: But on that very day, October 7, 2002, in a letter to Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham, the CIA declassified at the request of the committee the CIA assessment that it would be an ``extreme step'' (as in highly unlikely) for Saddam Hussein to assist Islamic terrorists in conducting a weapons-of-mass-destruction attack against the United States and that the likelihood of Saddam Hussein using weapons of mass destruction if he did not feel threatened by an attack was ``low.'' As per your statements above you forgot to add the following: but they did not convey the substantial disagreements that existed in the intelligence community. Postwar surveyors found no evidence that Iraq sought uranium from any foreign sources after 1991. The portion of the ICA was based on "credible US military reporting from a single source" who was described in the Committee previous report as being asylum seeker codenamed CURVEBALL.And we know who CURVEBALL turned out to be, a drunken liar. Intelligence assessments,specially prior to the October 2002 NIE that analyst could not confirm that production wa... Cont. no active underground WMD facilities had positively identified. Furthermore, none of the underground goverment facilities that had been identified were buried deeply enough to be safe from conventional airstrikes.On the use of UAVs to deliver WMDs: evidence that Iraqis were modifying UAVs for this purpose (delivery of WMDs) was "unconfirmed, and is not sufficiently compelling to indicate that the Iraqis had done so."Also the Iraqis never adapted any of their ballistic missiles to carry WMDs either during the Iran-Iraq war or during the First Gulf War, even though Iran did not have an effective counter against a WMD equipped ballistic missile and that t... Sounds like the report was mixed at best. That is why they couldn't go at it from the angle that they wanted to. Nice digging, both of you. NO smoking gun there, sorry Rat. Cont. Statements made by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence.Furthermore: The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate assessed that Saddam Hussein did not have nuclear weapons, and was unwilling to conduct terrorist attacks (against) the US using conventional, chemical or biological weapons at the time, in part because he feared that doing so would give the US a stronger case for war in Iraq.So Condi, no smoking guns... Plenty of smoke and I just found the fire. The best lies have just enough of the truth in them to make them believable. Whether its mixed or not, the fact that the United States Senate issued a report documenting that the President of the United States knowingly misrepresented false and questionable evidence to persuade the Congress to assent to an armed invasion is huge news. The news - backed by both Republicans and Democrats - is that the President wasn't mistaken; he knew the intel was bad. Taking the nation to war under false pretenses, thus sacrificing the lives of 4,000 Americans (not to mention the destruction of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and the millions of other casualties) is impeachable if anything ever has been. If anyone - including the President - can lie his way into cau... |
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