 masbury says: UPDATE 3-7-08: Factcheck.org writes: "without further evidence to the contrary, we see no reason to conclude that this is anything more than a standard attempt to make an attack ad appear sinister, rather than a special effort to exploit racial bias" Apparently all the images are darkened, not just skin tones, and this is standard (though yet despicable) attack-ad procedure. My apologies. The Afghanistan hearings issue is still utterly bogus; they were taken by the chair of the entire committee (Biden), and Obama was in attendance. Hillary, meanwhile, missed her committee's important war hearings in Feb, preferring to stay on the campaign trail (from where she shot at Obama for not having hearings) The 2nd picture looks much better than the first. He looks sick in the first. HRC is in kind of a pickle. She really cannot oppose him ideologically because she is trying to appeal to his voters and he has never done anything with which to take issue, so all she has it to nit pick. Of course she wouldn't be in this position if she hadn't run the worst campaign in political history. I do, however, love the revelation that daily kos believes facial features and skin color are a relevant issue and any misrepresentation, whether intentional or not, is bad. Such racists. I do, however, love the revelation that daily kos believes facial features and skin color are a relevant issue and any misrepresentation, whether intentional or not, is bad. Such racists.A member of the great insulated white middle class speaks again. The intent of the assertion of this clip is to divide. This clipper seems to have the same intention. I would be very surprised to see a retraction by masbury of his support for the claim in this clip. It seems this clip is beyond the pale to be worthy of many POPS by the typically pavlovian Left but I will try not to assume too much. I also think it is extremely unfair to make this claim in this clip and Please put up a link or retract the clip's claim!The "alleged video" (and I assure you, it is a video), is found at the "Clipped from" link, as always. No mystery, no subterfuge, no "extremely unfair" prank of any kind. It's just a clip, my friend - no ulcer required. I am not amazed at the obsession the Left has with skin color, be it the Clinton Campaign purposely tinting and distorting the photo or the Loonies at dailykos getting all up-in-arms and paranoid at the prospect of it. It is just a prime example of how the Left use race as a divisive issue. As if a blacker and wider face should inspire "fear" through a "fear ad". You should be ashamed of yourself, Masbury. The people promoting this farce are the bad seed, not the Clinton people!Very true, yanceducat. It good to see some moral clarity on the Left once in a while, even though your reasoning clarity (wink, wink) is not up to par with it. I think those reading your comment (above) should think deeply about it. Leave it to Willhelm to lecture about morale clarity while being entirely fraudulent in failing to acknowledge the conservatives use of race baiting. But he has a selective memory. Willie Horton anyone? Even Lee Atwater, Papa Bushs main political consultant and strategist, in his death bed confessional written for Time magazine, apologized for his scorched earth tactics, "In 1988, fighting Dukakis, I said that I 'would strip the bark off the little bastard' and 'make Willie Horton his running mate.' I am sorry for both statements: the first for its naked cruelty, the second because it makes me sound racist, which I am not [but obviously was]". For the Clinton campaign to stoop to Rethu... For the Clinton campaign to stoop to Rethuglican tactics disqualifies them in my book.Me, too. I'd vote for Nader - and would continue to do so until Dems (or someone) produced a candidate of sufficient morality to eschew outright deceit. 15 seconds x 100's of rebroadcast commercials. I guess you are oblivious to the history of political campaigning and advertising. How convenient for yous. This isn't a singular incident in this campaign. The Clinton's have tried to write off Barack as the "black" candidate several times already. Pull your head out of the sand. It's totally fine to recognize your own ethnicity and or gender. Absolutely no difference in Hillary claiming to be the first woman candidate with a chance to become the President. What is not acceptable is for another candidate to use it against you in a denigrating way. Have you witnessed Obama denigrating women? You have still never answered the question why Hillary's campaign would find a need to manipulate Obama's picture. Until you attempt to answer that question you are the one more firmly placed in the ignorance box. The ones who want her the most are the Republicans. They are salivating at the thought of running against Hillary Clinton. They see the polls that show Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Oregon voting Republican unlike they have for the last 20 years. It is obvious to anyone who is actually being honest with themselves that the Clinton campaign has determined that they must go to the gutter and adopt the politics of the Republicans because they made no ground on Obama otherwise. Truly shameful. You are truly showing your ignorance not to acknowledge that political advertisements can be effective. There is a reason that the Hillary campaign plagiarized a Mondale ad used against Gary Hart. There is n... I don't despise you. I despise the Hillary campaign because she will ruin the party. In fact I didn't despise their campaign until they went negative and discounted Obama as a token black candidate, tried to start a whisper campaign (ala Republican style), and pandered to fear. On top of it she places her own ambition above the good of the country. Listen to all her speeches, it's about I I I I I very little about us or we, until she plagiarized from Obama. I don't base my opinion on whether Hillary will lose to McCain solely on my personal beliefs. I see the reaction of the country. Hillary will win the hardcore democratic states as all Democratic candidates would. She won't flip any of t... Well said, BR! Excellent insights. Hillary and Bill started the slide down the slippery slope. I watched right on TV as Bill dismissed Obama's overwhelming victory in South Carolina as just another South Carolina victory by a black man just like Jessie Jackson. Bill failed to mention that he had won South Carolina, that John Edwards had won South Carolina, and that Al Gore had won South Carolina. I watched as Hillary downplayed Reverend Martin Luther Kings role in bringing civil rights to this nation. We have witnessed the Hillary campaign start a whisper campaign that Obama attended a Madrassa in Indonesia. Most recently we have seen the Clinton campaign pandering to fear, recycling (oops plagiarizing) an old Walter Mondale ... Tom Brokaw: Obama has 50 superdelegates waiting to endorse Tom Brokaw just announced in front of a stunned Terry McAuliffe that Obama has 50 superdelegates waiting to endorse Obama. Watch the video here That not arrogance. It's called math. If George W. knows math better than Hillary so be it. Hillary would need to win all remaining primaries with a 65% vote. Go visit Slate's delegate calculator and use your wildest Hillary delusional percentages. I projected it allowing for big wins in the states Hillary should win and subdued victories in the states Obama should win. She still does not surpass Obama........ and will not. But she will wreck the party for her own personal ambition. Really, where do you get that? yance, thanks for your brilliance. Pretty much all of us are aware of Obama's ancestral background. I'll leave it up to Obama to determine what he wants to call himself. He's American. That's good enough for me. I would love to see Hillary end her campaign for the Democratic nominee. If she wants to start her own campaign so be it. It would be well within her rights to be another Joe Lieberman. Better to win the battle but lose the war. This is the logic of the Clinton campaign. Your biases are showing. Please present to us the scientific definition of being black, or is it as I presume, your definition. He isn't culturally black? By god you are on the Clinton campaign staff. Politics of division. What a disgrace. I'm glad that we both agree that he is American, which should be enough for any of us. culturally BlackPlease explain. Thats like saying Hillary is not a woman because her daddy was not one.... Don't dance around the questions. You were asked to define what being black means. I accept that your American, but that isn't even part of this debate. It's a distraction at best with no relevance. Dulios asked you to explain what culturally black means? Answer the questions. The burden is on you. You made the statements and you have no intention of answering the questions. Typical. You come out here and say someone is a fraud and you say their campaign is a charade. You say someone isn't black that they are not culturally black but you cannot even provide definitions of what you are talking about. It has nothing to do with rights it's about whether you can even describe what you are saying. To go even further you have wandered so far away from the original topic of this clip which is the Clinton fear mongering attempting to paint Obama as sinister. Why is the Clinton campaign manipulating images to make her opponents appear sinister? I will repeat once again slowly...... you say you understand what being black and being culturally black mean. Since you know what it means explain your understanding for the rest of us. You made the claims not anybody else. I want a candidate who is honorable. Manipulating someone's image to give them an appearance unlike their true character is gutter politics. Do you see the Obama campaign running ads of Hillary as a shriveled up old hag? Why is the image manipulated if not to make someone more sinister, evil, untrustworthy or what? It is the same type of imagery construction Time magazine used to make OJ Simpson more sinister looking. Why can't Hillary when on her supposed credentials... Boy you are trying so desperately to squirm out of the question. You introduced it first. You have been put on the spot and you are squirming. Side note: I'm not married. You're a poor lawyer. I saw that video and I disagree with you. However, that video is irrelevant because no one manipulated it. Furthermore his likeness is not squished down which changes the symmetrical balance of a persons face, making them look different, odd. There is plenty of research on peoples attraction to facial features based on symmetry. The video attempts to make Obama look sinister and that is pandering to fear and it is gutter politics. Bill Clinton said it best, "when one candidate offers you fear and th... The video you referenced is irrelevant. It is irrelevant because no one manipulated the image. The question here is not does a different room or different camera equipment produce different lighting effects. Your being very silly. The image in Hillary's ad is taken from a debate and no one can find an image from that debate that appears as Hillary presented it. The issue here is manipulation to pander to fear. Gutter Republican/conservative/Karl Rovian type politicking. Why don't you offer up your definition of culturally black so we can debate it? What is your resistance to answering that question? I don't feel fear. I didn't feel fear when Papa Bush and the conservative master of fear pandering ran the Willie Horton ad. But I do think you identified who it was aimed at, your making progress. I think he is Barack Obama, American. Why don't you tell us how a person is culturally black? Ha. You must be a professional comedian. The more I hear you talk the more I doubt you are a Democrat. I'm starting to believe you are a conservative Republican hoping that Hillary will win because you know it keeps the Republicans in the White House and helps all the down ticket candidates. The only problem with your comments is that you have developed the posture that the Hillary campaign is as pure as the driven snow and does no wrong. That makes you as much of a cultist or extremist as anyone else. You have made past commentary on clips that voting for Democrats at key points in history was vital but Democrats ended up being morons and voting for Nader handing over the election to the Republicans. So now with appointments to the Supreme Court and at least maintaining an equal balance there you are ready to go vote Nader. You chastise Democrats or the Obama campaign for being no different than Republicans yet you repeatedly come back to defend Hillary who mustered up all... Your outrage is not credible. No one spends so much energy defending an individual to turn around and say I am ambivalent otherwise regarding the candidates. You are a fraud. Yes you said it was critical to vote against the Republicans and in only a short time you have stated that you would willingly vote for them. Ambivalent. Check out your "liberals suck" clip. You know the one you clipped and authored or have you already forgotten. You didn't check very hard. Are you lazy or are you incompetent? In 2000 I was in a rage against people who didn't see that voting for Gore was vital.You have already stated that if the election is Obama or McCain you vote for McCain. Ambivalent. Kind of pathetic that I have to do your work for you. Time is a funny thing. 8 years is a second depending on your point of reference. I don't believe the politics and policies of the two sides or the importance if making sure fear mongering, lying, Republicans (whose tactics Hillary has now chosen to adopt) don't select our Supreme court justices has changed. However, you abandon what was once vital and embrace the party that has brought back almost 4,000 flag draped coffins. You are logically and morally bankrupt. Why should Obama replace all of his advisors. They have only led him to victory after victory, a delgate lead over Hillary, winning more states than Hillary, raising more cash than Hillary, winning more popular votes than Hillary - spanking the Republican John McCain in poll after poll after poll. yanceducat, quit the charade, reveal yourself. Your terrified of Obama. You know you are really a conservative Republican troll, attempting to weaken the democratic party, your commentary is starting to make me feel icky. |
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