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10-13-2007 11:23 AM
AcesLucky
Wow. This is probably going to hit a nerve to those who claim Hitler was atheist. And the Church (Catholic) apparently supported him.

It seems this has been, historically and quietly, swept under the rug. (How dare you bring truth out into the open like that!)

10-13-2007 11:26 AM
davboz
(How dare you bring truth out into the open like that!)
It was a front. Do more research.(How dare I suggest that?!)
10-13-2007 11:54 AM
ratilfar
The Church record during WW2 is mixed at best. Many fought to save the Jews, but others actively participated and collaborated with the fascist (and in the case of Spain, Chile and Argentina, would continue to do so until the 1980s).
10-13-2007 11:58 AM
enbar
Keep in mind that the Jews the Vatican cared about tended to be Jews who had converted to Catholicism. A mixed record indeed.
10-13-2007 12:41 PM
debbyski
My whole point is whether it was a front or not Davboz, Hitler merged church and state. Which is one of the main reasons far right nut-cases like Ann Coulter are overlooking: Our founding Father's didn't want religion to be corrupted by government. I'm sure Hitler is smiling somewhere by Coulter's comments and her encouragement of church and state in America. It was a front Davoz, it's what he worked so hard to achieve, and it's what helped to make his horror's possible.
10-13-2007 2:22 PM
AcesLucky
It was a front. Do more research.(How dare I suggest that?!)
Do more research into what? Of COURSE it was a front! How could a Pope endorse the wholesale killing of vast multitudes of anyone, be it by Hitler or by Inquisition?

Answer: The same way he could hide child molesting priests from the law year after year. The same way they could commit these atrocities in the first place.

Do you honestly think these murderers and child molesters actually believe in a hell, or fear a just god?

Get REAL davboz!
10-13-2007 11:51 PM
pokkets
wikki:
During the 4th century, the Roman Emperor Constantine I constructed Christian sites in Jerusalem such as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre
Constantine instituted several legislative measures regarding the Jews: they were forbidden to own Christian slaves or to circumcise their slaves. Conversion of Christians to Judaism was outlawed. Congregations for religious services were restricted, but Jews were allowed to enter Jerusalem on Tisha B'Av, the anniversary of the destruction of the Temple. Constantine also enforced the prohibition of the First Council of Nicaea against celebrating Easter on the day before the Jewish Passover
From the days of Constantine until the Arab conquest in 638,...
10-14-2007 12:20 AM
pokkets
The core of Antisemitism, is the allocation of traits that are deemed common to all Jews As with all forms of bigotry, the distinction between individuals is ignored. As with all peoples for every good there is an evil, for every evil there is a good, but there are distinctions that the Jews will admit can clarify this. For every Zionist there are a hundred comedians, for every banker there are a thousand in poverty, for every orthodox there are secular,
for every hawk there is a dove. We can often choose a view that will justify an opinion.
For every Hitler there is a Martin Luther.
We have to listen to the lessons of history, and learn that the most profound lessons are not from those who...
10-14-2007 1:02 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Hitler was a Roman Catholic:

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" - Hitler

"My feeling as a Christian beads me to be a fighter for my Lord and Saviour. It leads me to the man who, at one time lonely and with only a few followers, recognized the Jews for what they were, and called on men to fight against them... As a Christian, I owe something to my own people." -- Adolf Hitler, 1922

Anyway...
Our founding Father's didn't want religion to be corrupted by government.
I think it's the other way round, that they didn't want government to be corrupted by religion.
10-15-2007 10:50 AM
debbyski
I think it's the other way round, that they didn't want government to be corrupted by religion.

Actually I'd have to disagree with you on that TN, but what the hell, you say tomato and I say tomahto, and you know I have a soft spot in my heart for you and think you are a great clipper, *LOL*
BTW,
speaking of soft spots in my heart, where is my favorite CM's ladies man BBW?? My ego has not been the same without my much needed dosage of him behaving and acting amorously toward me without emotional committment!
Help me out a little hun and go bat your baby blues at him for awhile and drop a hint that I miss him, OK?
10-15-2007 6:24 PM
masbury
Here's another Hitler quote from Citizens of Another Nation, an Easter sermon of last year, in which I hoped to raise skepticism toward "God and country"-style patriotism:
Let me show you how this matters. See if you can guess who said these words:
"[Our people] are no longer the people without honor, the people of disgrace, self-destructive, narrow-minded, with little faith. No, God, [our] people have become strong again in their spirit, in their will… Lord, we do not let you go! Now bless our struggle, our liberty, and, with that, our … people and our [home]."
Any gu...
10-16-2007 9:11 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
go bat your baby blues at him for awhile and drop a hint that I miss him, OK?
Am I reading this right? You want me to go pick up men for you?? *LOL*

Anyway, no time for that now that I'm gettin' married, ya know.

*smooooch*
10-16-2007 11:12 AM
debbyski
Damn TN, this marriage thingy is gonna turn BBW off big time!! He said he felt like he was hit with a speeding freight train when I said I was married! Can I not rely on you to pick up guys for me anymore?? What on Earth is this world coming too?
10-16-2007 11:27 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Can I not rely on you to pick up guys for me anymore??
Whatta ya mean anymore?? As if I've done it before! *LOL*
10-16-2007 12:40 PM
debbyski
Well now TN, you kinda forget about that Cabana boy during our vacation . . .
10-16-2007 1:50 PM
zasel
My goodness Deb and TN, but this conversation has devolved into amourous verbal meanderings. All I can say is..........Yeah! It's about time we had some fun around here.
10-16-2007 4:43 PM
thisnamecantbetaken
@zasel
*LOL*

@deb
Hee hee hee.... oops! .

You win... damn. Hey, you wanna play paper, scissors rock? Best in three. You start.

10-16-2007 6:15 PM
debbyski
@Zazel: Sugar, TN and I always have fun! Especially when alcohol is involved.
But back to that 'Cabana' boy TN, wasn't he especially dreamy . . .
Listen girlfriend,
no silly paper rock sissors for me, but I'll challenge you to who can open a beer bottle with the most unlikely device. HA! Winner gets to smooch with BBW for like 3 minutes (only if he agrees of course)

*Debby is on her knees feverantly prayinng to her patron saint of lust for a miracle*
(it's a Catholic thing, *lol*, we have patron saints for every daggone thingy)
10-17-2007 9:01 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
The most unlikely device to open a beer with? Hmm...
(Ha! I personally taught you all you know, woman!! )

Well okay... beat this then:

A newspaper.

Yes, you read right. Can you open a bottle of beer with a newspaper? And I do NOT mean the whimpy pre-cheated newbie half-opened-already beer bottles for kids and amateurs!! (You know; Heineken)

Choose your weapon woman!

(Btw, video evidence of chosen feat of genius will be required.)
10-17-2007 9:07 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
HA!!! This one you will NEVER be able to master: Can you open a (real) beer with a piece of wet cotton wool??

Hahahahaha, you have challenged the CBGC reigning beer opening champion and there is no way you can beat me on this one. No way!!

You KNOW, the beer has not yet been invented that I cannot get in to! *LOL*

AGAIN! Choose your weapon!!!
10-17-2007 10:56 AM
debbyski
You KNOW, the beer has not yet been invented that I cannot get in to!
Of couse I know that silly; I become so bored with winning all the time that it's more fun to let you win, *LOLOL
Anyway, I'm itching for another vacation; how's Greece sound? It's been my experience that a Greek man will never treat his woman as anything but a goddess and that sounds so relaxing right now TN
10-17-2007 11:04 AM
debbyski
And I do NOT mean the whimpy pre-cheated newbie half-opened-already beer bottles for kids and amateurs!! (You know; Heineken)
*ROTFLMAO*
10-18-2007 12:02 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
how's Greece sound?
Are you serious?? Now? Well, you know me, I'm always game! If you're serious, then let's go!

Last one to Athens is a rotten egg! Haha!

Naaaa, seriously, when and where babe. Athens? Patmos? Crete? In 48 hours? .
10-18-2007 9:00 AM
debbyski
Crete babe. Maybe a short trip to the Canaries or Azores just for fun? While there are no "official" nude beaches in Greece we can always have Big Bad search for the secluded ones . . .
Anyone else game?
http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/19BDD206-247C-4CA0-9138-537761B66517/
10-18-2007 9:06 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
There are so nude beaches!! On Samos!!
(Hee hee hee... I know these things.)
10-18-2007 9:14 AM
debbyski
Well, I have always looked so much hotter unclothed, and olives are my weakness . . .
10-18-2007 10:00 AM
thisnamecantbetaken
Olives go so perfectly with beer. Those two things were just maaade for each other! Yummy!
10-18-2007 10:11 AM
debbyski
Olives go so perfectly with beer.
Now you have gone and done it TN! I'm packing
10-19-2007 11:10 AM
debbyski
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