The problem is dear brother that there are no "good" people, Jesus said (recorded in Luke 18:19), "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God". It is only as a result of the sacrifical death of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are made good in the eyes of God. When we accept God's call upon our lives through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then God see us through the righteousness of Christ.

There may well be, as you say, "perfectly good people" that will find themselves in hell. but that is because they consider themselves good by the values of the world, and not by the values of God.

Because we are all tainted with Adam's sin, we were all destined to go to hell, but God ...

The problem is dear brother that there are no "good" people, Jesus said (recorded in Luke 18:19), "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God". It is only as a result of the sacrifical death of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are made good in the eyes of God. When we accept God's call upon our lives through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then God see us through the righteousness of Christ.

There may well be, as you say, "perfectly good people" that will find themselves in hell. but that is because they consider themselves good by the values of the world, and not by the values of God.

Because we are all tainted with Adam's sin, we were all destined to go to hell, but God in His mercy and grace, made it possible to escape by simple faith in the eternal scrfice of His Son, Jesus Christ.

There certainly will not be "perfectly good" people in hell.

"The problem is dear brother that there are no "good" people..."

Let's suppose that this is true (its not, but lets suppose that it is) in order to get to the heart of it.

Let's say you're approaching a crossroads, and god has already predestined you to take road A, instead of road B.

Is there any way you can possibly take road B?

If we are using the common definition of "predestine" you can ONLY take road A, otherwise you'd be proving god wrong, both in knowledge and in power. So you can ONLY take road A; agreed?

Now, in light of the definition of the meaning "predestine" please describe to me where and how you EVER had a choice?

And so if god predestines you to hell, ...

"The problem is dear brother that there are no "good" people..."

Let's suppose that this is true (its not, but lets suppose that it is) in order to get to the heart of it.

Let's say you're approaching a crossroads, and god has already predestined you to take road A, instead of road B.

Is there any way you can possibly take road B?

If we are using the common definition of "predestine" you can ONLY take road A, otherwise you'd be proving god wrong, both in knowledge and in power. So you can ONLY take road A; agreed?

Now, in light of the definition of the meaning "predestine" please describe to me where and how you EVER had a choice?

And so if god predestines you to hell, you NEVER had a choice, no matter what you did or didn't do!

This makes God the responsible party, not any person. And so to predestine a person to eternal torture "even before they are born" is infinitely evil.

So you have an infinitely evil god in a universe of "no choice" and morality is irrelevant.

Is this the reformed theology of Calvinism?

It is only as a result of the sacrifical death of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are made good in the eyes of God.

So does this change any of the predestination thing? If not, then his death is moot. It changes nothing.

There may well be, as you say, "perfectly good people" that will find themselves in hell. but that is because they consider themselves good by the values of the world, and not by the values of God.

Let's suppose that you had two children. And you decided "before they were born" that the second one will be tortured.

And when she was born you kept her in the basement and tortured her every day starting from day one of her life -- because you "pre...

It is only as a result of the sacrifical death of the Lord Jesus Christ that we are made good in the eyes of God.

So does this change any of the predestination thing? If not, then his death is moot. It changes nothing.

There may well be, as you say, "perfectly good people" that will find themselves in hell. but that is because they consider themselves good by the values of the world, and not by the values of God.

Let's suppose that you had two children. And you decided "before they were born" that the second one will be tortured.

And when she was born you kept her in the basement and tortured her every day starting from day one of her life -- because you "predestined" this for her.

In this case you are calling the tortured "evil" by virtue of birth, and the torturer "moral" because you are in a position to do so.

Are these the "values of God" you are referring to, as opposed to the "values of the world?"

And so should the torturer be rewarded with heaven since his values are most like that of god? While the tortured child is considered not "perfectly good" and remains in hell?

And these are the "values of God" that good people will find themselves in hell for?

Personally, I don't think the Devil himself could plumb the depths of the evil and immorality "reformed theology" is attributing to god. I've never studied it, but is this what they call Calvinism?