Democracy Minus Religion?


	Democracy Minus Religion?

AtlLiberal

12-17-2007 10:08 AM

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AtlLiberal says:

PZ makes a good point here with far reaching tentacles.

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12-18-2007 12:35 PM

AcesLucky

I must agree. Eventually one must succumb to the other; either the secular law rules the land and its people, or an antiquated book that has no one through which to make an appeal for injustice.

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