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8-11-2009 11:58 PM
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enbar says:
According to Chris Hedges, progressives were sold a bill of goods with the Obama campaign -- empty slogans and no real pressure for change. I don't entirely agree, but I'm getting there. Clipped mainly for this: "[T]he question [is] not how do we get good people to rule -- those attracted to power tend to be venal mediocrities -- but how do we limit the damage the powerful do to us." Archived at Iterasi: sqrl.it/?jre18.
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8-12-2009 3:48 AM
BartendingBear
Enbar, it won't be long and you'll be on board. While I found a good bit of what Nader was about in the election appealing I didn't support him, voting for Mike Gravel instead. In this critique, however, Nader is absolutely correct. Obama is a nearly complete failure to any genuine liberal.

Ignore clip-on, of course. He wouldn't know liberty without a dollar tied to it if it cut off his nose.
8-12-2009 12:20 PM
deadcowkid
I think one quick way to limit the power of people in office is remove the power from lobbyists by stopping ALL financial contributions. They can come to the White House with Petitions only, signatures, no money, no gifts, just verified signatures from the public.
8-12-2009 2:14 PM
citizenbfk
Of course, I disagree although I suspect those who wish to put down the President will stick with their whining.

I wonder, myself, why I stick with even bothering to try to counteract it....although it certainly has become an ingrained lifetime habit.

I guess I just "haven't put my finger on it," yet.

Obama critics are on the side of warmongers, neo-cons, racist, and right-wing nut jobs. Do they realize that? Do they care? Or are they actually enthusiastic supporters of those forces who would tear down the best President we've had in a lifetime?

8-12-2009 2:58 PM
BartendingBear
Citizen, I too clipped this same source, but choose different passages than enbar. I found the first paragraph extremely compelling. Did you read it?
The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama. It kills as brutally and indiscriminately in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan as it did under George W. Bush. It steals from the U.S. treasury to enrich the corporate elite as rapaciously. It will not give us universal health care, abolish the Bush secrecy laws, end torture or “extraordinary rendition,” restore habeas corpus or halt the warrantless wiretapping and monitoring of citizens. It will not push through significant environmental reform, regulate Wall Street or end our relatio...
8-12-2009 3:32 PM
citizenbfk
@BartendingBear - Nice post.

Of course I don't agree. It's not that hard to write a sentence that says anything you want. Your post, for example, starts with the topic sentence: "The American empire has not altered under Barack Obama."

I would start with the sentence: "There has been great improvements and positive new directions from the new Obama Administration."

Every fact quoted in your last post (not working towards universal health care, continuing torture and extraordinary rendition, etc. etc.) - these are false statements. Or truly misinformed. Or myopic.

There ARE two (2) primary groups at war here; real war and political war.

I stand with Obama.

TODAY, the 16 Americans (an...
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