Note that waterboarding was not created to elicit "actionable" intelligence, but rather was perfected a means of eliciting confessions, truthful or not. Anyone who believes these techniques are keeping Americans safer is a little too trusting. Also see this clip.

Thank you for the pictures. Best to bring this out into the light of day.

Goddamn...

Thanks. I also found a video of a TV producer (a veteran who'd experienced it in the service) voluntarily getting waterboarded. Extremely disturbing to watch. I clipped it here.

We prosecuted Japanese post-WWII for war crimes for waterboarding Americans.

I just that vid as well. I'll pop the clip, more people need to see it.

I thought this was a clip about waterboarding- you-know- Surfing

I didn't even know this happened {Stunned}

Hey Skwirl, you should watch the video (linked four comments up) too. It's pretty disturbing.

If waterboarding doesn't work why are our Special Forces, SEALS, etc, trained to not break under the waterboarding technique? It is a VERY effective, yet harmless tool.

If waterboarding doesn't work why are our Special Forces, SEALS, etc, trained to not break under the waterboarding technique?

I don't understand your logic here. It is effective in breaking people. It is believed to be much less effective, or possibly ineffective, at generating actionable intelligence. At least, that's how I understand the source's argument.

It is a VERY effective, yet harmless tool.

And you know this because you are:

A: an expert in interrogation, psychiatry & medicine.
B: You have experienced it as both a practitioner and a receiver.

Which one?

Otherwise, I think I'll stick to what I saw in the video, have read from REAL EXPERTS, etc.

A disturbing commentary on man's inhumanity to man, particularly when perpetrated by religious zealots. Thanks for the visual--it has much more impact than the term alone.

what, fsuscotsman, no reply?

ABC news chief Brian Ross has talked to CIA agents who have used coercive interrogation and not only does it work, it has stopped more than a dozen attacks against the US to date.

Choppy video, perfect audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UnkZuJ0Qrk

Nice. I hadn't seen that. Well, chalk one up for the other side, then.

Killing your enemy outright (or potential enemy) also works.. does that make it right?

when they try to kill you? absolutely....

I just had my wife waterboard me... It was fun. But it was cold outside. I didn't give her the information though.

If it was fun, you didn't do it right. It involves believing you are about to die.

Death isn't so scary when you are married.

LOL!!!

Enbar, I don't understand how someone believing they are about to die is torture. They might believe they are about to die when they are taken into custody. In that case, the kidnappings in Iraq by muslim extremists is torture, because they sould have known they were going to have their heads sawed off. I see a big distinction.

I mean, it involves not some abstract believe that you're going to die soon, but feeling as though death is immediately imminent. Think of the last time, say, that you choked on a piece of food for more than a second or two, without anyone around to administer the Heimlich. Then imagine that going on for three or four minutes.

So, is it torture to hold a gun to someone's head and demand information? Is death row torture?

http://wapurl.co.uk/?UE1D5JW

Video of a reporter getting waterboarded. He doesn't last nearly as long.

thanks n2sooners, I think this shows a very good distiction from what is torture. I doubt the journalist would submit himself to real torture.

Of course it wasn't real torture. It was a controlled exercise during which the subject could opt out at will.

Read this, please.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_mallick/20061106.html

Pyewacket, great link -- consider giving it a clip of its own ...

Pyewacket ... nevermind, I did it already, I really think people need to read it (link)