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8-1-2008 12:07 PM
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8-1-2008 3:47 PM
Lexica
Very interesting article. Thanks!
8-2-2008 8:38 AM
Johanna_G
Myths?
Methinks, some other myths are growing...

Crowds are suggestible.
I agree.
Crowds are irrational.
I agree.
Crowds increase anonymity.
I agree.
Crowds are emotional.
I agree.

You can hang your rationality and scruples up, when you are alone; but it's more comfortable, when you do so as a member of a voluminous body.
That's why I even consent with Mussolini, on this point solely:
The mass, whether it be a crowd or an army, is vile.
Rotters like Mussolini knew and know how to make the vile mass feel elevated and justified. These were and are their ways of instrumentalizing the mass: (a) panem et circenses,...
8-4-2008 4:09 PM
Lexica
8-4-2008 7:29 PM
Johanna_G
  • According to its headline, the clipmarked article is expected to be about psychology; but this:
    Crowds are not the many-armed destructive monsters of the popular or even fascist imagination.
    ["7 Myths of Crowd Psychology"]
    refers to a monsters' myth and foists it flimsily to a branch of science (and/or philosophy).

  • "Crowds are spontaneous", "crowds are suggestible", "crowds are irrational", "crowds are emotional" - these are, of course, myths, insofar as they insinuate, crowds were super-individuals with the ability of spontaneity, suggestibility, rationality/irrationality, emotions. That can't be taken seriously. No, it's the individuals and the reasons of th...
  • 8-5-2008 3:02 PM
    Rasmus
    Lexica said:

    http://dx.doi.org/10.1111/j.1533-8525.1994.tb00396.x
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0925-7535(96)81011-3
    http://www.ssrc.org/sept11/essays/tierney.htm
    http://www.jstor.org/pss/3033551
    http://dx.doi.org/10.1093/cercor/10.3.295
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/0202303756/ref=nosim/?tag=psy0a-20
    http://www.jstor.org/pss/1958525
    http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/10007372/abstract
    These are largely unhelpful hyperlinks.
  • http://www.ssrc.org/sept11/essays/tierney.htm contains an essay on the "Strength of a City: A Disaster Research Perspective on the World Trade Center Attack". Worthy of being quoted is this:
    Kath...[-substr- said:

  • 8-5-2008 3:30 PM
    Rasmus
    Crowds made invisible by theory
    [Review of Clark McPhail's The Myth of the Madding Crowd]
    By Hiram Caton (Brisbane Australia)

    […]
    On the old view, crowds are volatile aggregations carried away by self-induced emotions to irrational acts. The crowd's self-stimulation transforms individuals from their normal condition of self-control. Individual self-identity is submerged in the collective identity, such that the crowd can act as a unit in the commission of acts that would be morally repugnant to each individual acting alone. In a word, the crowd mind can transform law-abiding individuals into ...
    8-5-2008 3:30 PM
    Rasmus
    Continuation:
    There's obviously a very deep observational discrepancy here. Anyone who has participated in the frenzy unleashed in rock concerts must hesitate to apply the label `rational actor'. The selling point of these revels is break free of conventional constraints, to `rage', to `go crazy', in imitation of the performers. McPhail seems to be saying that the wild and risky things that happen in rock revels are merely unconventional means of achieving a purposive goal-raging. Or have a peak into a sports venue. Over there are exuberant hundreds who've painted their faces in the colors of the team. Looks awfully silly. Still others are wearing zany costumes that mimic the team tot...
    8-5-2008 3:30 PM
    Rasmus
    Continuation:
    The impossible burden of supporting the rational actor thesis is perhaps the reason why McPhail avoids discussing crowd typology. That discussion compels one to consider mobbing, shaming, ostracism, threats and intimidation, collective brainwashing, rioting, looting, cultic orgies, panic and stampede, and collective suicide. Most of these behaviors were experienced on a large scale and over long times in those sorrowful orgies of fervor that were Mao's Cultural Revolution and the reign of Iran's ayatollahs.

    A proper typology of crowds would quickly identify and eliminate the error that drives this study: insistence on an Either/Or classification of crowds as rational or...
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