 balthazarus says: "Both women, who refused to give their real names, go online daily to debate religion with fellow atheists -- and the few believers hardy enough to brave their barbs -- from safely behind their computer screens. they also say; "It's easier to say that you're gay than an atheist." Asked what she would be without the Internet, Didi laughed: "I would be a full-closet atheist." Every Indonesian must carry an identity card stating his or her adherence to one of six official religionsUuugh. I hope her private thoughts stay private, however, if anyone sniffs her out, I am not sure how safe she would be? I hope her private thoughts stay private, however, if anyone sniffs her out, I am not sure how safe she would be?I was thinking the same thing. It's obvious they fear for their safety. Being surrounded by religious people... She should be extremely careful. It's so easy for someone to infiltrate any group or organization, private or not to uncover what they think are wrong-doings. Admirably courageous. I wish my fellow atheists well in their quest for Freedom From Religion. They are taking precautions: I visited that Indonisian Atheist Wiki and you have to know the password to join. http://ateisindonesia.wikidot.com/system:join Anyone who believes their religious beliefs gives them a right to injure others (seen at worst in national military incursions that claim to be directives from god) is either in need of professional help or prosecution. Fascinating Clip. I had no idea they had to be "card carrying" as to their religion. I knew all Indonesians have to carry identification cards that contain information about race and occupation, but not religion, which is bad enough. So, if you don't have a particular faith you have to continue to live a lie and be in fear of the God-Gestapo??? That's just ridiculous. What the heck happened on this thread spam-wise? Anyhow, I think these folks are exceptionally brave. I almost never out myself as atheist, even in the States. It can be dangerous. I truly believe Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire because he was an outspoken atheist. I truly believe Pat Tillman was killed by friendly fire because he was an outspoken atheist.You know, I've thought the same thing, but it can't be proved so I don't say it. But I think his brother said something about it. At least in the States you can profess either faith or no faith. I know that some would say, "Not without paying a price." But it goes both ways - either for being religious or being atheist. I've never seen an American punished for having faith. Could you give an example? Religion, having religion, and being religious are not the same as being Spiritual or having Spirituality. A person can be an atheist and still be a Spiritual person. Every religion dictates a set of rules that people "must" live by. These rules then define what is "good" and what is "bad" and end up segregating the believer of that particular doctrine from all other people whose beliefs differ even slightly from theirs. But Spirituality is a very personal thing and is not limited by the barriers created by following other peoples restrictive viewpoints, rules or beliefs. Spirituality allows individuals to be totally free to believe what they choose to believe for themselves, which the... @dmegivern Just one example, probably the most famous in recent American History. From a BBC article: "Probably the most famous of the martyrs is Dr Martin Luther King, who also took religion as the ideological platform to bring about change in America in the 1960s. A pastor of the African-American Baptist church, he preached within a political context of creating equal voting and civil rights for the black community. He believed fervently in passive resistance, and his assassination in 1968, made him a symbol of the struggle for social change. " The 'Doctor' part of his title was a doctorate of Divinity. First and foremost he was a pastor. His beliefs guided him. People are ridicu... King is not a good example of a modern martyr, at least in the traditional sense, as it's possible to point to as much of a political motive for his killing. I was around back then, when he was at the height of his fame, and the appellations "Doctor" or "Reverend" were seldom attached to his name. If you were to take a poll, I think you'd find that he is remembered more for his political and civil rights work than for his ministry. The man convicted of killing King was himself a Christian, and I think you'd find that, throughout history, more Christians have been killed by other Christians than by non-Christians. |
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