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4-22-2008 4:43 AM588 views
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abailart says:
<<<To Nabokov, skimming the Present without sinking into the Past is a miracle that befits only the most experienced: "Otherwise the inexperienced miracle-worker will find himself no longer walking on water but descending upright among staring fish" (if I may add) under the weight of past associations.>>>

Thus do we think we have thought and felt and experience the One, the Abyss, the Edge, the Love.... yet the graceful lightness of being is elusive and we are weighed down always, especially 'Now' (oh, its 'Power'!) by the depreciating luggage of our conceptual memories and ossified identities.
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4-22-2008 5:07 AM
wildcat
"Meaning is an artifact of the Past, not the actual fact of the Present." brilliant!! thks ab
4-22-2008 5:24 AM
abailart
"Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But theres gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows"

Leonard Cohen (Everybody Knows)

4-22-2008 5:28 AM
Johanna_G
If this is the meaning of "meaning", it is itself not an actual fact of the Present.
The Past has given birth to lots of artificial meaninglessnesses; I am sure the Present's pseudocyesis does by no means mean anything meaningful either.
4-22-2008 6:51 AM
Brimstone
what do you mean by all this?
4-22-2008 12:25 PM
Johanna_G
Whom do you mean?
4-23-2008 5:18 PM
syncopath
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
Aristotle
4-25-2008 8:26 AM
asphere
“Meanings are not determined by situations,
but we determine ourselves by the meanings
we give to situations.”
Alfred Adler

" Life is a succession of moments.
To live each one is to succeed "
Corita Kent


4-25-2008 12:55 PM
Johanna_G
Very well, asphere. I mean, playing with the thought of the "meaningless of meaning" means monkeying about the potential meaning of one's existence. It is a play played by those lucky ones who are fed up with life and by those unlucky ones as well who are, in the words' idiomatic meaning, fed up with life.
But I do not want to become mean. Though talking about the meaning of anything may end in meaninglessnessification that doesn't mean anything regarding its potential meaningfulness. It's just the mind that creates and scraps meanings. Tell me what means a lot to you and what doesn't mean anything to you, and I can dip my mind into yours.
All that we are, are the result of what we h...
4-25-2008 3:10 PM
abailart
<<<in reality, we are all imprisoned in our "so-called" realities of habitual interpretation. Buddhism, particularly, Zen Buddhism, offers a way out of this prison: non-discursive thought. Mindfulness – as a practice – can be understood as interpretive silence: witness but don't label, witness but don't describe, witness what is as it is, avoid the lens of the past associations.

As such, mindfulness is a form of meaninglessness. And that is its existential meaning!>>>

From the article. Buddhism, of course, does not hold with self identity made up of discursive meaning.
4-25-2008 9:33 PM
Johanna_G
We are all imprisoned in our so-callednesses. Polysemy is usual. The meaning of "meaning" is multifarious. It could be cleared intersubjectively, contextually, discursively.
Discursively? A word to stumble over:
* A uses it in the meaning "rambling, moving from topic to topic without order",
* B in the meaning "proceeding coherently from topic to topic",
* C in the meaning "marked by analytical reasoning", and
* D in the Habermasian meaning "of or relating to discourse and its ethics".
Now imagine the powwow of A, B, C and D.
If they are well-meaning, they'll have to find themselves and each other in the smoggy fog of obfuscatory language. They have no option but to try that. For that...
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