 AtlLiberal says: So, the UN has determined that without "religious scholars" present they are FORBIDDEN to discuss matters of faith. How strange that the concept of free speech stops at religion's door. Will non-Muslims next be held accountable to Muslim law. So, religion is off limits to criticism. How long before we resurrect blasphemy laws? Get your stones ready. Atl the problem seems to be that every time they try, the debate descens into morbid chaos. Might as well not even bother if you're not going to get anything productive out of it. Will non-Muslims next be held accountable to Muslim law.I'm not sure I understand your reasoning there... I'm not sure I understand your reasoning there...The best example I can come up with is the brouhaha concerning the Danish cartoons which depicted Mohammad. As you're probably aware Muslim law prevents graphic images of Mohammad. Fine, if Muslins are prevented from creating pictures of their prophet that's not skin off my nose. But to expect non-Muslims to adhere to their dictates is not right. It would be as absurd if Jews rioted because people ate pork or back in the day if Catholics protested if non-Catholics ate meat on Friday (of course that's not relavent today). religion will all ways have its undeserved respect that is greater than anyone else.That is until mocking it becomes a norm. It's not the debate about faith that they're afraid of. It's the horrible customs of female genital mutilation, honor killings, beheading, and so forth that are condoned by way of barbaric religion. Such things are human rights issues, but human rights are squashed by traditional religious traditions and values. And they aim to continue repression by way of religion by de-coupling those rights by claiming "religion" can't be discussed. Women voting. Not. Why not. Traditional religious views prevent woman from self determination. Self determination is a human rights issue. And they want no human rights infringing on their barbaric customs. I agree. Yet it's not entirely a Muslim issue in the broader context. Certainly issues such as addressed in the clip receive the majority of coverage, the idea of religion as a whole being excluded from critical evaluation and questioning seems to be the norm. Any other realm of thought is not afforded this privilege. It is wrong for religion to be able to hide behind this cultural taboo. To get back to your comment though, since this article is directly related to the Human Rights Council naturally your comments are spot on. Most people are appalled by the aspects you brought up concerning Islam and whether or not they are widespread is not the issue. That they exist at all in this day and age is. Give Peace a Chance John Lennon Ev'rybody's talking about Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism This-ism, that-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m. All we are saying is give peace a chance All we are saying is give peace a chance C'mon Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers, Sinisters, Banisters and canisters Bishops and Fishops and Rabbis and Pop eyes, And bye bye, bye byes. All we are saying is give peace a chance Clap, clap, clap, clap.  This is what happens when you follow the path of appeasement. "Fine, if Muslins are prevented from creating pictures of their prophet that's not skin off my nose. But to expect non-Muslims to adhere to their dictates is not right. It would be as absurd if Jews rioted because people ate pork or back in the day if Catholics protested if non-Catholics ate meat on Friday (of course that's not relavent today). "--AtlLiberal I totally agree. Just like I wouldn't tell a Muslim to do certain things my religion requires, I don't expect them to do that to me. These Muslims that riot over the littlest things are in the extreme, but I don't hear others denouncing them. So, until I hear a denouncement form one for the actions of the extremists, I will continue to put them all in the same boat. I just saw a clip about muslims getting offended over a reality tv show in the UK. Wow, maybe we should just stop making movies! Jeesh seeing as how Muslims kill each other every day on a grand scale, maybeYes. However a major change will not come about until we see a concerted effort in the Muslim world to end their perceived tolerance for and acceptance of these suicidal radicals. And the problems are not only religious though I find it difficult to comprehend how else the leaders are able to coerce people into sacrificing their lives so readily. So yes, the religious component I feel is the major factor in accomplishing this. And so it has been through the ages. Religion may not always be the root cause ... But we can't re-write the Quran or Hadith.Good point. Yet the "spiritual leaders" could very well offer their own interpretations. I'm certain that there must be differing opinions among the leaders such that if pressure was brought to bear upon them they could be persuaded to offer a more measured message. I've heard many Islamic leaders denounce terrorism. Yes, I'm also aware of the inflammatory messages in their text. All religions have interpreted their holy books according to the times to suit their own purposes. Surely we can remember when the same Christian texts were used to both defend and defame slavery. The same with women's rights and the failed experiment of p... |
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