– are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim...

– are easy to dismiss. Less so the report that the body of a female air crew member was found in a Manhattan street with her hands bound. OK, so let's claim that was just hearsay reporting at the time, just as the CIA's list of Arab suicide-hijackers, which included three men who were – and still are – very much alive and living in the Middle East, was an initial intelligence error.

But what about the weird letter allegedly written by Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian hijacker-murderer with the spooky face, whose "Islamic" advice to his gruesome comrades – released by the CIA – mystified every Muslim friend I know in the Middle East? Atta mentioned his family – which no Muslim, however ill-taught, would be likely to include in such a prayer. He reminds his comrades-in-murder to say the first Muslim prayer of the day and then goes on to quote from it. But no Muslim would need such a reminder – let alone expect the text of the "Fajr" prayer to be included in Atta's letter.

Let me repeat. I am not a conspiracy theorist. Spare me the ravers. Spare me the plots. But like everyone else, I would like to know the full story of 9/11, not least because it was the trigger for the whole lunatic, meretricious "war on terror" which has led us to disaster in Iraq and Afghanistan and in much of the Middle East. Bush's happily departed adviser Karl Rove once said that "we're an empire now – we create our own reality". True? At least tell us. It would stop people kicking over chairs.

Robert Fisk, is one of my favourite international correspondents. Although he sometimes goes a tad over the top, I sincerely believe, in general, he has his finger of the true pulse of what it going on in Iraq and the so-called War on Terror.

The Republican administration and their enablers have been selling the notion that Iraq and 9/11 are one in the same, and thank heaven, most people now realize that such a concept is nothing short of ridiculous. But people like Ari Fleischer and his cohorts are now investing millions of dollars trying to spread that same message to a disbelieving public. I can only hope that the American public and our politicians are finally past that concept, and wi...

Robert Fisk, is one of my favourite international correspondents. Although he sometimes goes a tad over the top, I sincerely believe, in general, he has his finger of the true pulse of what it going on in Iraq and the so-called War on Terror.

The Republican administration and their enablers have been selling the notion that Iraq and 9/11 are one in the same, and thank heaven, most people now realize that such a concept is nothing short of ridiculous. But people like Ari Fleischer and his cohorts are now investing millions of dollars trying to spread that same message to a disbelieving public. I can only hope that the American public and our politicians are finally past that concept, and will laugh the entire series of ads off the air, and send Ari back to his ultra-Liberal Democrat family, from whence he came.

You make a great Republicon Napster.
You read very little and distort what little you read.
But then you were just a navy guy. Never did know the reality of what was happening on land. Just lobbed the big guns on targets unknown. Chalking up enemy dead
for every round fired. Not much reality in that.

Heh. I was never in the Navy. Guess you'll have to do better research than that. And the only one distorting information (well, almost the only one) is Righthand and his entourage.

As anyone here can plainly see (except a few), the text I quoted from his 2 different clips were taken from the same exact article and source, only certain parts were clipped from each a...

You make a great Republicon Napster.
You read very little and distort what little you read.
But then you were just a navy guy. Never did know the reality of what was happening on land. Just lobbed the big guns on targets unknown. Chalking up enemy dead
for every round fired. Not much reality in that.

Heh. I was never in the Navy. Guess you'll have to do better research than that. And the only one distorting information (well, almost the only one) is Righthand and his entourage.

As anyone here can plainly see (except a few), the text I quoted from his 2 different clips were taken from the same exact article and source, only certain parts were clipped from each allowing the illusion of a different story. And for the record, I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I voted for George Carlin the past 4 elections. He has more intelligence and common sense than any politician in the U.S.

And the only one distorting information (well, almost the only one) is Righthand and his entourage.

As anyone here can plainly see (except a few), the text I quoted from his 2 different clips were taken from the same exact article and source, only certain parts were clipped from each allowing the illusion of a different story

More snide remarks from foot in mouth himself who never heard of Medical tourism to Cuba.

[url=/clipmark/9EA20937-80B2-4D03-BFD5-8F5D98E6D10F/]Pity you did not do that first before running off at the finger and maki[b]...

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And the only one distorting information (well, almost the only one) is Righthand and his entourage.

As anyone here can plainly see (except a few), the text I quoted from his 2 different clips were taken from the same exact article and source, only certain parts were clipped from each allowing the illusion of a different story

More snide remarks from foot in mouth himself who never heard of Medical tourism to Cuba.

Pity you did not do that first before running off at the finger and making a show of yourself. I've a feeling this won't be the last time either. Is it a bit of a bad habit where your finger is engage before your brain is in action?

Now he's at it again, in days, but this time he's managed to get both feet in his mouth. Shows how big it is.

I'll try and explain to you Nap in simple terms as obviously Fisk article was away over your head. Now there TWO BIG IDEAS in this article. I'm sure that is what is giving you such difficulty in comprehending as ONE is more than enough for you.

First idea. From Fisk's article...

"The Bush administration has screwed up everything – militarily, politically diplomatically – it has tried to do in the Middle East; so how on earth could it successfully bring off the international crimes against humanity in the United States on 11 September 2001?"

Do you understand this? How could the totally incompetent Bush organize a set-up like 9/11! Do I need to list all the cock-ups of his administration? Would 'Iraq' be a clue?

Fisk gives as an example the days earlier "Operation Lightning Hammer" with the "We disrupted al-Qa'ida, causing them to run" balls up. This

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This I posted as a separate clip knowing there might be a dullard who wouldn't follow Fisk's duel idea article.

Second idea. Now this is where it gets difficult to anyone that's intellectually challenged. He in effect argues against his first point of Georges incompetence!!! Blows you tiny mind, doesn't it. The normal Independent reader would follow this twist but a Bush devotee would have great difficulty. I know this is unfair. Bush supporters had to suspend use of their minds, if they had one in the first place, as part of their signing up. Even those who now have an idea now about Bush's lack of cloths, still have difficulty rediscovering ...

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This I posted as a separate clip knowing there might be a dullard who wouldn't follow Fisk's duel idea article.

Second idea. Now this is where it gets difficult to anyone that's intellectually challenged. He in effect argues against his first point of Georges incompetence!!! Blows you tiny mind, doesn't it. The normal Independent reader would follow this twist but a Bush devotee would have great difficulty. I know this is unfair. Bush supporters had to suspend use of their minds, if they had one in the first place, as part of their signing up. Even those who now have an idea now about Bush's lack of cloths, still have difficulty rediscovering the old grey matter.

Fisk...

Why have the officials involved in the United 93 flight (which crashed in Pennsylvania) been muzzled? Why did flight 93's debris spread over miles when it was supposed to have crashed in one piece in a field?

Fisk still cannot bring himself to write that the Bush gang planned 9/11. He is very clearly saying there is a cover-up. He may be inferring that Bush knew in advance of 9/11 but not the detail. He doesn't say who the planners were but there are not many candidates. Who are masters of false flags? Who had most to gain by the taking out of the strongest Arab power in the Middle East? Friends of yours? Who gains most from the fragmentation of Iraq? Who wants Iran taken out while Bush is about?

I'm sorry, Nap. I've posed too many ideas to you in one go. What with both feet still in your big mouth, and now I'm asking you to use your brain. So unfair. I'll repeat...

Pity you did not do that first before running off at the finger and making a show of yourself. I've a feeling this won't be the last time either. Is it a bit of a bad habit where your finger is engage before your brain is in action?

My prophetic words were based on observing your style. Its the 'Bush, the coward, requiring Kerry, the hero, to prove his

My prophetic words were based on observing your style. Its the 'Bush, the coward, requiring Kerry, the hero, to prove his degree of heroism' style of argument. Accuse others of the very thing that you are guilty of. It is reasonable of us that do clip to ClipMarks to resent some who doesn't post clips but comments without thought in a most snide way. Your last post was a personal rant about your perceived censorship of yourself!

Don't get me wrong. I welcome your cockups. If we were all perfect then it would not be interesting and you are interesting if a cockup.

Try using some sources yourself instead of asking us to do the most basic sourcing for you. Particu...

My prophetic words were based on observing your style. Its the 'Bush, the coward, requiring Kerry, the hero, to prove his degree of heroism' style of argument. Accuse others of the very thing that you are guilty of. It is reasonable of us that do clip to ClipMarks to resent some who doesn't post clips but comments without thought in a most snide way. Your last post was a personal rant about your perceived censorship of yourself!

Don't get me wrong. I welcome your cockups. If we were all perfect then it would not be interesting and you are interesting if a cockup.

Try using some sources yourself instead of asking us to do the most basic sourcing for you. Particularly when you are personal about a clipper's sources, please make some effort to produce some evidence for your outlandish slanders. As I've said before, you may call me black, white, pink or blue; Christian, Jew, Muslin or none; old, young, wise, dull; rich, poor; male or female; whatever. All are meaningless tags. But when you make personal attacks you have some duty to quote some evidence from this site, if you have any expectation of being taken seriously. It would take time but there is hope if you learn.

Try using some sources yourself instead of asking us to do the most basic sourcing for you. Particularly when you are personal about a clipper's sources, please make some effort to produce some evidence for your outlandish slanders. As I've said before, you may call me black, white, pink or blue; Christian, Jew, Muslin or none; old, young, wise, dull; rich, poor; male or female; whatever. All are meaningless tags. But when you make personal attacks you have some duty to quote some evidence from this site, if you have any expectation of being taken seriously. It would take time but there is hope if you learn.

The sources you speak of are alre...

Try using some sources yourself instead of asking us to do the most basic sourcing for you. Particularly when you are personal about a clipper's sources, please make some effort to produce some evidence for your outlandish slanders. As I've said before, you may call me black, white, pink or blue; Christian, Jew, Muslin or none; old, young, wise, dull; rich, poor; male or female; whatever. All are meaningless tags. But when you make personal attacks you have some duty to quote some evidence from this site, if you have any expectation of being taken seriously. It would take time but there is hope if you learn.

The sources you speak of are already there, in your 2 clips you created- The one I commented on and the link I pasted in that clip. And it's not slander if it's the truth. Nice try. Oh, my good Irish friends in County Cork have a message for ya- poag mahone! Maybe they'll come knock you up.

Now you guys be nice! If anyone is gonna be kissing anybody anywhere, then send one my way, but I'd like mine a little sweeter and on a totally different cheek, okay?

*smoooch* to both of you now let's talk 9/11.

Why was there only such a little tiny round hole in the Pentagon? (no marks from where the wings hit?) Why were the HUGE titanium engines not found? No scorched grass even? Only a few seconds of camera footage despite the Pentagon being the supposedly most guarded and defended and video security camera-ridden place in the world? Not even from inside the building? There may be some good logical good answers to these questions, but then I'd like to know them. There are so many ...

Now you guys be nice! If anyone is gonna be kissing anybody anywhere, then send one my way, but I'd like mine a little sweeter and on a totally different cheek, okay?

*smoooch* to both of you now let's talk 9/11.

Why was there only such a little tiny round hole in the Pentagon? (no marks from where the wings hit?) Why were the HUGE titanium engines not found? No scorched grass even? Only a few seconds of camera footage despite the Pentagon being the supposedly most guarded and defended and video security camera-ridden place in the world? Not even from inside the building? There may be some good logical good answers to these questions, but then I'd like to know them. There are so many unanswered questions that were not addressed in the 9/11 Commissions report like no mention of the collapse of Building 7 at all and as long as we aren't getting the answers we need, I for one will remain suspicious of the official 9/11 story.

There...you guys can get back to kissing now.

Wow, you guys are blowing my mind. My jaw hangeth open. I must admit I am sum what ignorant when it comes to politics and government, I'm just recently starting to learn what a crock pot of truth, lies, scandals, and diplomacy it is. but in the end people must be active and voice there opinions verses sitting on the side line's.

OK, I said all that to say this. What the hell are you guys talking about? I never knew about a third building. It seems I remember a pretty good size hole in the pentagon, where did you hear plain fell in one peace. I guess I just don't get picking all this apart with out having a theory of an alternate cause or action of these events and thats the part I'm missi...

Wow, you guys are blowing my mind. My jaw hangeth open. I must admit I am sum what ignorant when it comes to politics and government, I'm just recently starting to learn what a crock pot of truth, lies, scandals, and diplomacy it is. but in the end people must be active and voice there opinions verses sitting on the side line's.

OK, I said all that to say this. What the hell are you guys talking about? I never knew about a third building. It seems I remember a pretty good size hole in the pentagon, where did you hear plain fell in one peace. I guess I just don't get picking all this apart with out having a theory of an alternate cause or action of these events and thats the part I'm missing, I mean can anyone tell me what you are suggesting might have really happened or purpose of a cover up on these issues.

For those asking about the 'Titanium' engines that were barely found (if at all) from the crashes, Here's a question for you.

Look at these images of the recent crash of 2 news helicopters in Phoenix, AZ and see how much of the engines (or anything else) you can see.

http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/13775203/detail.html


And these were just small helicopters without 23,000 lbs of jet fuel.

Burned down to almost nothing in about 15 minutes.

The 'Titanium' you speak of has to do with the main bearing shaft of the engine and a few other small pieces. It is mainly composed of alumium and alloys to save weight.

FYI - at least one of the titanium ...

For those asking about the 'Titanium' engines that were barely found (if at all) from the crashes, Here's a question for you.

Look at these images of the recent crash of 2 news helicopters in Phoenix, AZ and see how much of the engines (or anything else) you can see.

http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/13775203/detail.html


And these were just small helicopters without 23,000 lbs of jet fuel.

Burned down to almost nothing in about 15 minutes.

The 'Titanium' you speak of has to do with the main bearing shaft of the engine and a few other small pieces. It is mainly composed of alumium and alloys to save weight.

FYI - at least one of the titanium engine shafts actually exited the WTC building when it hit and ended up on the other side of the street.

Pratt & Whitney makes the engines used on the 767 aircraft that crashed and full specs are on thier site.