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merrie says:
I'm all about personal freedom and the rights of individuals. Universal healthcare is not only impractical, but costly - and not just for your pocketbook. It's handing over yet another right to the government, and allowing the government to decide and rule your fate.

I'm not compassionless-I'm just sensible. And universal healthcare as it's being proposed by both Clinton and Obama still doesn't make much sense to me.

The disaster of the Massachusetts universal healthcare system should give you a preview of what life under a universal healthcare scheme could be like.

Even more shocking is the manner in which Massachusetts state officials have decided to deal with the out-of-control costs of their broken system: they've ordered the insurance companies to cut payments to doctors and hospitals, reduce choices for payments, and possibly increase how much patients will have to pay.
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5-11-2008 12:13 PM
papananook
That's because it's still a for-profit system--as long as health care is not viewed as a human right and is FOR-PROFIT--It will be flawed and unacceptable.It's time to admit it's wrong and get on with reform of the whole damn mess, but GREED once again blocks the way. Greed Kills!
5-11-2008 5:17 PM
merrie
human right and is FOR-PROFIT
When the Federal Government becomes involved with
anything, citizens rights go out the window. (IRS sound familiar?)

I, personally, have a huge problem with turning over my personal information to a government entity, and where is written that health care is a human right?

How about the efficiency of the DMV, would a similar system in health "care" work for you?
5-11-2008 9:00 PM
dulios
Merrie, I lived for four years in a country with universal health care. I have nothing but praise for the system.

Twice a year, like clockwork, I came down with bronchitis. I visited my doctor, who I chose, and paid nothing out of pocket. I filled my prescription for the equivalent of $1.00. I received full pay for the days I missed from work.

I cut myself badly once while cooking. I visited the emergency room and got a shot and some stitches. I paid nothing out of pocket.

I have arthritis in my right foot and needed therapeutic treatment for 4 weeks. I paid nothing out of pocket.

My former mother-in-law had a brain tumor. She needed surgery and missed 6 months of work. We paid ...
5-11-2008 11:46 PM
n2sooners
You paid a hell of a lot more than $1 out of your pocket. You just never got to see all the money you paid because the government took it first.
5-12-2008 12:34 AM
dulios
You paid a hell of a lot more than $1 out of your pocket. You just never got to see all the money you paid because the government took it first.
You're conflating taxes with out of pocket expenses.

5-12-2008 12:59 AM
merrie
You're conflating taxes with out of pocket expenses.
I wonder who pays for the "Universal Insurance" in
Europe. In the US, anything the government provides is
paid for by us, the taxpayers.
5-12-2008 1:02 AM
dulios
I wonder who pays for the "Universal Insurance" in
Europe.
The taxpayers do.
5-12-2008 10:48 AM
n2sooners
You're conflating taxes with out of pocket expenses.
Maybe it's because I don't see the difference between having to pay something out of pocket or having the government take money out of my pocket and spend it for me. Well, actually, I do see a difference, and that difference is choice. One way I have a choice on how that money is spent and the other way the government is telling me they know how to spend my money better than I do.
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